where to list BP pistols to sell

[hemijay]

I have a couple of black powder pistols to sell. Where do I list them?

One is an unfired Uberti walker in the box with a wooden display box with some extras. The other is a navy 36 made by Replica Arms in 1968. It comes with a wooden display case with the flask, mold, nipple wrench, original balls and an empty cap tin. This pistol is in beautiful condition.

[Quiet]

Under CA laws, they are still considered firearms.

Rifles and shotguns go in the WTS long gun forum.

Handguns go in the WTS handgun forum.

[ARDude]

Quiet,

I know absolutly nothing about black powder firearms.
Do they have to be sold thru an FFL? Any waiting period ect?

Thanks

[prob]

Quiet,

I know absolutly nothing about black powder firearms.
Do they have to be sold thru an FFL? Any waiting period ect?

Thanks

No and no.

[ARDude]

So then BP firearms are considered a special class of firearms in Ca? No 10 waiting period, no going thru an FFL?

[TKM]

No FFL, no waiting period. Also no prohibited persons.

Different states may have different laws.

[Quiet]

So then BP firearms are considered a special class of firearms in Ca? No 10 waiting period, no going thru an FFL?

Under CA laws...

A blackpowder firearm is still considered a "firearm" [PC 16520(a)] and is also considered an "antique firearm" under CA laws. [PC 16170(b)]
^There are a few modern blackpowder firearms that do not meet the Federal and CA definition of an "antique firearm", which means none of the Federal and CA exemptions apply to it.

Which means the following exemptions to CA firearm laws applies...

"Antique firearms" [PC 16170(b)] are only exempt from the following CA firearm laws:
01. Infrequent transfers. [PC 16520(d)(1)]
02. CA DROS. [PC 16520(d)(2)]
03. Operation of law transfers. [PC 16520(d)(3)]
04. "used firearm" transfer laws. [PC 16520(d)(4)]
05. Unloaded handgun open carry laws. [PC 16520(d)(5)]
06. Unloaded long gun open carry laws. [PC 16520(d)(6)]
07. Requirement to be a CA FFL dealer in order to transfer it. [PC 16520(d)(7)]
08. CA FFL dealer requirements when transferring firearms. [PC 16520(d)(8)]
09. Required minimum age of 21 for a dealer to transfer to. [PC 16520(d)(9)]
10. Required identifying marks/engravings on handguns. [PC 16520(d)(10)]
11. 10 day waiting period. [PC 16520(d)(11)]
12. PPT requirement to transfer through CA FFL dealer. [PC 16520(d)(12)]
13. Registration requirement for importing into CA and requirement to use CA FFL dealer to legally import into CA. [PC 16520(d)(13)]
14. Requirement to be licensed as a manufacturer in order to legally make in CA. [PC 16520(d)(14)]
15. Residential firearm storage requirements for prohibited persons. [PC 16520(d)(15)]
16. "home built firearm" marking/engraving and registration requirements. [PC 16520(d)(16)]

In addition to the above, specific types of "antique firearms" [PC 16170(c)] are also exempt from these additional CA firearm laws: [PC 17700]
01. Camouflaging firearm container laws.
02. Cane gun laws.
03. Unrecognizable firearm laws.
04. Short Barrel Rifle laws.
05. Short Barrel Shotgun laws.
06. Unconventional pistol laws.
07. Undetectable firearm laws.
08. Wallet gun laws.
09. Zip gun laws.


Note that there are no exemptions for transferring to prohibited persons or to transferring to minors.
Which means it is illegal (felony) to transfer (selling/giving/etc) an antique firearm to a prohibited person [PC 27500] or to transfer an antique firearm that is also a "handgun" to a minor [PC 27510(a)].

[hemijay]

Thanks for the responses. Very helpful!

[Darto]

You can sell your black powder replicas without involving any FFL on your end. And if the State you are shipping to has laws like California, then no FFL involved at all on the relievers end that you ship to.

I have done this several times. You can buy them also, shipped to your door, the State of California does not care, and no FFL need be involved on your end.

A good place to sell is on muzzleloaders.com forum. I have bought and sold there. Or Gunbrokers (they do charge sales tax however and a fee). muzzleloaders.com has no taxes and fees. To protect somewhat from scams, sellers on muzzleloaders dot com must include a picture of the item with a piece of paper by it on which is printed the user's screen name and the date. (To protect people who don't actually have the item they are selling).

[Darto]

Both of the OP's items would sell for over $400.

[M76]

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