Clarifying the steps/process of buying a C&R rifle

[Fett3056]

I have a valid FFL03/COE and will be buying a C&R rifle from a private party. From my understanding, this is the steps....please correct me where I get it wrong and answer my questions if you can:

Steps
1. Meet with buyer and show him my ID, FFL03, and COE.
Do I give seller a copy?

2. Pay seller.

3. Get seller's name, address, p#, and CDL # for my bound book.
Do I need to make copies of seller's ID?

4. Take possession of rifle (cash and carry)

5. Make entry into my bound book.

6. Go to CFARS website. Fill out the "Collector in-state acquisition of C&R long gun report" within 30 days and pay $19 fee.

Is this correct? Is it the same process if I buy a C&R firearm from a store?

Thanks in advance for help from all you knowledgeable Calgunners.




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[sfe187]

Your example is in-State purchase I assume and its correct. I just have couple of opinion.

1. I don't give them copies. They can write whatever down, however, not my personal DL/ID info.
3. I don't need copies of seller's ID.
6. Store bought C&R depends, some FFLs might want you to dros and carry.

[sfe187]

Just to add, some CA sellers are reluctant doing cash n carry C&R rifles transactions. Either they are afraid or don't want to understand.

[SVT-40]

You don't need copies of their documents, and you don't have to give them copies of your documents.

Just write out a receipt and each of you keep a copy.

[Fett3056]

Thanks!

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[Odd_Ball]

Just to add, some CA sellers are reluctant doing cash n carry C&R rifles transactions. Either they are afraid or don't want to understand.

What about providing the seller a copy of the small card at the bottom of the ffl03 should they insist on keeping some documentation that you are in fact an ffl? Might be easier to convince a reluctant seller that way.

I've done a face to face ammo purchase using my ffl03 as part of a used rifle purchase (through Calguns marketplace) and there was understandably quite a bit of reluctance at first on the sellers part to not transfer the ammo through the ffl01 as well. It took some explaining and showing my ffl03 and a printout of California law before they agreed.

[SVT-40]

What about providing the seller a copy of the small card at the bottom of the ffl03 should they insist on keeping some documentation that you are in fact an ffl? Might be easier to convince a reluctant seller that way.

I've done a face to face ammo purchase using my ffl03 as part of a used rifle purchase (through Calguns marketplace) and there was understandably quite a bit of reluctance at first on the sellers part to not transfer the ammo through the ffl01 as well. It took some explaining and showing my ffl03 and a printout of California law before they agreed.

Do whatever you feel comfortable with. You can give them a copy of your ffl if you want to. It's just not mandatory.

[sbo80]

What about providing the seller a copy of the small card at the bottom of the ffl03 should they insist on keeping some documentation that you are in fact an ffl? Might be easier to convince a reluctant seller that way.

Sure you can give them a copy of whatever you want and are comfortable with, it just isn't required. A copy of your 03 is not at all unreasonable, but I'd not be giving my DL info beyond showing it to them so they can see the names are the same.
From an 01 it will be different, particularly if the 01 has already signed the firearm into their store. They'll want to DROS it out. That can be done as a "curio and relic" transfer, but it's still a DROS, with all the fees. It'll skip the 10 day wait though, and you can walk out as fast as it processes.

[Fett3056]

Thanks for all the answers

[tonyt22]

Just making sure these steps are the same regardless if the seller is a 03ffl holder correct

Looking to pick up some surplus rifles but seller doesn't have a 03 or coe should be the same correct. collect info provide receipt and enter in bound book and cfars

[smoothy8500]

Sure you can give them a copy of whatever you want and are comfortable with, it just isn't required. A copy of your 03 is not at all unreasonable, but I'd not be giving my DL info beyond showing it to them so they can see the names are the same.

Funny story, but a few years ago sold a Springfield 03A3 and asked the old guy for a xerox copy of his FFL to keep in the file with the receipt. He flipped out after waving it around and refused to even let me take down his CDL info. What-ev, I invited him to leave my house and sold it to the next guy who didn't have any issues.

OK, maybe I'm the nervous or reluctant seller, but the next guy said its no different than if I was selling my car and was totally cool ....

[Quiet]

6. Store bought C&R depends, some FFLs might want you to dros and carry.

CA laws requires CA FFL dealers to conduct a CA DROS submission for every firearm they transfer. [PC 28100(a)]
There is no exemption to this for C&R firearms being transferred to a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL + COE.

The firearm being a C&R firearm and the transferee having a valid C&R 03-FFL + COE makes the transferee exempt from the 10 day waiting period [PC 26970], 1 in 30 day wait [PC 27535(b)(9)], exempt from the FSC requirement [PC 31700(a)(6)], and exempt from the mandatory safe handling demonstration [PC 26850(h) and 26860(g)].

[19K]

CA laws requires CA FFL dealers to conduct a CA DROS submission for every firearm they transfer. [PC 28100(a)]
There is no exemption to this for C&R firearms being transferred to a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL + COE.

The firearm being a C&R firearm and the transferee having a valid C&R 03-FFL + COE makes the transferee exempt from the 10 day waiting period [PC 26970], 1 in 30 day wait [PC 27535(b)(9)], exempt from the FSC requirement [PC 31700(a)(6)], and exempt from the mandatory safe handling demonstration [PC 26850(h) and 26860(g)].

[ShootTargetFun]

My 1st C and R purchase

I just bought a type 56 sks online. So once I get it, Im not sure exactly what to do. I know I have to enter it into my bound book. I read on here that there is a application on CFARS and a fees as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Being that this is my first transaction, I want to do it right.

[SVT-40]

I just bought a type 56 sks online. So once I get it, Im not sure exactly what to do. I know I have to enter it into my bound book. I read on here that there is a application on CFARS and a fees as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Being that this is my first transaction, I want to do it right.

Not all Chinese type 66 (SKS) carbines are C&R's.

It will depend on when it was made, as well as if it's one of the commercial types.

So before you enter in in your book, be sure to verify it's status. The recent Chinese imports from Albania were declared to be C&R's.

But not all Chinese SKS'S are C&R's.