UPS firearm to myself/C&R holder in CA

[ATS76]

I am a C&R holder and would like to clarify / reconfirm shipping of C&R firearms to me:

Only I can UPS C&R handguns (not limited to over 50-year-old) within CA or from other States to myself without through a 01 dealer. All other shippers must go through a CA 01 dealer.

When I am out of CA, I can UPS C&R long guns, not limited to over 50-year-old, to myself without through a CA 01 dealer.

Private parties & C&R holders in CA can UPS C&R long guns to me without through a 01 dealer.

Anyone from out of State can UPS C&R long guns, limited to over 50-year-old, except Yugo M59/66 with GL etc, to me without through a CA 01 dealer.

Please advise and thank you.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Only I can UPS C&R handguns (not limited to over 50-year-old) within CA or from other States to myself without through a 01 dealer. All other shippers must go through a CA 01 dealer.

California law requires Licensed Collectors who acquire C&R handguns in person out of state to "transport the firearm into this state". To some people that would mean you have to actually carry it back to California yourself, but I think using UPS to transport the firearm for you is OK. I don't know if there are any CalDOJ opinions on this subject.

Also, your parents, grandparents, children, grandchildren or spouse can UPS any kind of handgun to you if they are also California residents. The 10 round magazine limit also applies here and you would need to have a valid HSC. You wouldn't need a C&R FFL for this kind of transfer.

When I am out of CA, I can UPS C&R long guns, not limited to over 50-year-old, to myself without through a CA 01 dealer.

Yes.

Private parties & C&R holders in CA can UPS C&R long guns to me without through a 01 dealer.

Yes, as long as the C&R long guns are at least 50 years old.

Anyone from out of State can UPS C&R long guns, limited to over 50-year-old, except Yugo M59/66 with GL etc, to me without through a CA 01 dealer.

Yes. Like you said, they have to be at least 50 years old and legal to own in California (no GL or AW). On a side note, as a licensed collector, while out of state you can buy C&R guns that are not legal in California. You just have to sell them or put them into California legal configuration before coming back to California.

[M. Sage]

Yes, you can ship your own gun to yourself, as long as it was in your posession before shipping. :P If you buy FTF out of state in the situation you're describing, you can ship it to your home, no problem.

If you legally came into posession of a gun (like a non-C&R that you did the DROS and ten days for), you can UPS it to yourself, also.

[ATS76]

Thank you for all your sound advises.
How about the 1 handgun / 30 days restriction? Can I UPS two CZ52 and 1 P38 in 1 box to myself from another State?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Thank you for all your sound advises.
How about the 1 handgun / 30 days restriction? Can I UPS two CZ52 and 1 P38 in 1 box to myself from another State?

Yes you can. You just have to register them all within five days using CalDOJ Form FD4100A. The one handgun per 30 day restriction only applies to handguns you buy through a California Dealer, excluding PPT's.

[swift]

Yes you can. You just have to register them all within five days using CalDOJ Form FD4100A. The one handgun per 30 day restriction only applies to handguns you buy through a California Dealer, excluding PPT's.

So someone with a C&R could purchase two C&R handguns out of state and ship them (or drive them back) to CA? Would someone please post the text that permits this?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So someone with a C&R could purchase two C&R handguns out of state and ship them (or drive them back) to CA? Would someone please post the text that permits this?

There is not really anything in the law that "permits" California C&R FFL's from bringing in more than one C&R handgun at a time. But laws don't usually permit things. Laws forbid things. And there is nothing in California law that forbids California C&R FFL's from bringing in more than one C&R handgun at a time.

Heck, the form you use to report your out of state C&R handgun purchases, Form FD4100A, even has room for three handguns! And the instructions on the form say...

The completed form(s) must be returned with $19.00 processing fee for each handgun reported (e.g., 3 handguns x $19 = $57).

It's almost like they are compelling you to buy at least three C&R handguns at a time.

Also notice how they say "form(s)", meaning that they expect some people to be reporting enough C&R handgun purchases to need more than one form.

The old C&R handgun report form, Form BCIA4100, had these instructions on the back...

A separate form is required for each curio or relic handgun reported.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Curiously, which guns fall into this catergory?

The easiest example would be the Yugo M59/66 with a grenade launcher. It's legal for a California C&R FFL to buy one of these while out of state, but illegal to bring it into California with the grenade launcher still functional.

Another couple of examples would be those "commemorative" semi-auto Thompsons and AR15's that were added to the C&R list.

[NeoWeird]

or STG-44s, M1 Carbines with the folding stocks, etc. etc.

There are actually a LOT of C&R guns that are not koesher in California (sadly )

[Rumpled]

e.g. of a C&R not legal in CA?
A handgun C&R less than 50 years old.
Wouldn't be on the drop test list.

[grammaton76]

or STG-44s, M1 Carbines with the folding stocks, etc. etc.

There are actually a LOT of C&R guns that are not koesher in California (sadly )

Yup. By the way, Neo, that was your 1,000th post. I just noticed that when looking at the member list, since I was at 2,999 before this.

Therefore this, my 3,000th post, is me noting that you've made your 1,000th. Just kind of cool/weird number symmetry there. Unfortunately, I didn't see anyone else at the even thousands mark for us to group-stalk.

Of course, 0 is an even number of thousands, so probably the next guy in this particular chain, will be Technical Ted commenting on how stupid this is.

And yes, I know, these post numbers are semi meaningless, since so many posts went away when the off-list subforum vanished a few ages ago.

[Whitesmoke]

e.g. of a C&R not legal in CA?
A handgun C&R less than 50 years old.
Wouldn't be on the drop test list.

I believe that there is a way around that though....A 03 C&R holder could go out of state and buy a C&R listed handgun in person and bring it back to CA and then just declare it once you get here.

Can anyone confirm or discount what I said please?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

e.g. of a C&R not legal in CA?
A handgun C&R less than 50 years old.
Wouldn't be on the drop test list.

To be exempt from the drop test a handgun just has to be C&R. It doesn't have to be over 50 years old. So a C&R handgun less than 50 years old is not an example of a C&R not legal in CA.

[-hanko]

So someone with a C&R could purchase two C&R handguns out of state and ship them (or drive them back) to CA? Would someone please post the text that permits this?

The law tells you only what is not permitted.

-hanko

[NeoWeird]

Yup. By the way, Neo, that was your 1,000th post. I just noticed that when looking at the member list, since I was at 2,999 before this.

Therefore this, my 3,000th post, is me noting that you've made your 1,000th. Just kind of cool/weird number symmetry there. Unfortunately, I didn't see anyone else at the even thousands mark for us to group-stalk.

Of course, 0 is an even number of thousands, so probably the next guy in this particular chain, will be Technical Ted commenting on how stupid this is.

And yes, I know, these post numbers are semi meaningless, since so many posts went away when the off-list subforum vanished a few ages ago.

I can hear the music now.

So where's the flowery meadow you want to meet in, and run in slow motion towards each other, then roll around giggling until we have that weird awkward pause where we realize we are straying WAY too far from the heterosexual lifestyle and whip out guns and start shooting the flowers just to prove how manly we are?