Unsafe Garand food

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I've seen a couple of op rods bent from the use of current commercial ammo, but never saw a Garand self-destruct. A Schuster adjustable gas plug solves the issue.

[metalcruncher]

I've always used 30-06 ammunition made specifically for the M1 Garand. The way I understand it was 30-06 ammunition was made for bolt action rifles and the "M1 Garand 30-06" ammunition was made for semi automatic rifles.


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[19K]

IIRC, weren't there some heat treat problems with some years of the 1903? I think they were occasionally blowing up for awhile.

That was pre-1918 1903s. The CMP website has a serial number cut-off for those. I used to have a 1918 1903 that was post the cutoff and it shot modern heavy ammo without a problem. The 1903A3's were WWII era. I think mine are 1942 built.

[k1dude]

Iirc the ones that’s blew up, blew up after using incorrect ammunition (8mm).

No, I remember when I was overseas in the late 60's, the Air Force would use old crates of brand new minty 1903's to practice air drops over the field. When they hit the ground, some of the crates would bust open. But, all the crates and guns were destroyed after the drops. When asked why, a General in the stands said they were all bad heat treat manufactured lots and were too dangerous to use, lend, or sell. So they were all destroyed afterwards. That's why they were used for practice drops. They were considered junk.

[19K]

No, I remember when I was overseas in the late 60's, the Air Force would use old crates of brand new minty 1903's to practice air drops over the field. When they hit the ground, some of the crates would bust open. But, all the crates and guns were destroyed after the drops. When asked why, a General in the stands said they were all bad heat treat manufactured lots and were too dangerous to use, lend, or sell. So they were all destroyed afterwards. That's why they were used for practice drops. They were considered junk.

They were used for 15 years some of them, and there are very few documented failures of them, from the over 500,000 made and issued

[19K]

Good article on low numbers https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...safe-to-shoot/

[IronsightsRifleman]

It's a controversial topic with some good data on both sides of the argument. I found this to be an interesting perspective.

[smle-man]

Some .30 WW1 ammunition was of poor quality and after several years started experiencing case base failures. When the base failed some brittle receivers came apart. A good 03 receiver channels the gas into the magazine and the magazine plate would blow off but the receiver would hold. The service failures stopped when the ammo was withdrawn from use. Low number rifles were used in WW2.

[mj1]

RL15 and H4895 150g M2 pulled bullets Same load for everything.





If you can see it you can hit it to 500 yards.

But if you look for trouble you WILL find it.

[PogoJack]

So he says Garand were designed for M1 ball so most stuff is good to go without modification?

https://youtu.be/UOSdswZHJUc

This video from 6 years ago. Russian steel cased ammo. At the time, people were perplexed as to why someone will would use steel case on a Garand.

I expect to see more with the scarcity of factory 30-06 ammo available within spec.

https://youtu.be/TleMPyDq56s

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[smle-man]

you just cant say dont use 30-06 ammo i do like how they list bullet weights
but i have not seen any fmj 30-06 ammo that is unsafe for the garand

surplus French and some Austrian .30-06 ball suffer base failures from brittle brass. That will wreck the stock at least on an M1. Same with Some WW1 U.S. ball but that stuff has to be all gone by now.

[Mustang]

surplus French and some Austrian .30-06 ball suffer base failures from brittle brass. That will wreck the stock at least on an M1. Same with Some WW1 U.S. ball but that stuff has to be all gone by now.

Would the brittle surplus French/Austrian ammo be older 1950's corrosive?