Enfield Magazine

[dfletcher]

Is there any difference between a military issue No4 MkI and a No4 MkII magazine? I bought a "Golden State" reworked to "Jungle Carbine" configuration rifle over the weekend. Whatever the "must wait 30 days" before store re-selling a traded in gun law is called, that doesn't start until later this week so I don't have the rifle with me. Am not sure if it started life as a MkI or MkII, so if they take a different magazine I'll wait.

I know Enfield magazines aren't interchangeable and whatever I get may need a tweak or two.

The mag that comes with the rifle is a 7 shot reworked by Golden State Arms, would like to also have a 10 rounder too.

[Heatseeker]

I'd bet mj1 will be along soon. Jack is by far the most knowlegable Enfield guy I know. He'll have an answer for you.

[echo1]

Is this going to be your 1st Brit? Originally they were made to be loaded from stripper clips, not change out mags. PAX

[highpower]

I don't know offhand, but I have a 1943 No4Mk1 and a No5 JC made in 1944. I know if the magazine in carbine would be the same as a No4Mk2, but as soon as I can dig them out I'll take a look at the magazines and see if there is any difference. I can say that at a glance they look the same.

[smle-man]

The number 4 and 5 magazines are all the same no matter the mark. Most interchange just fine unless someone has dropped it on the feed lips. I have about 4 extra magazines for my scoped LB #4 that fit and function perfectly.

[highpower]

The number 4 and 5 magazines are all the same no matter the mark. Most interchange just fine unless someone has dropped it on the feed lips. I have about 4 extra magazines for my scoped LB #4 that fit and function perfectly.

Yep, I just checked and the are exactly the same.

[loademup]

Is there any difference between a military issue No4 MkI and a No4 MkII magazine? I bought a "Golden State" reworked to "Jungle Carbine" configuration rifle over the weekend. Whatever the "must wait 30 days" before store re-selling a traded in gun law is called, that doesn't start until later this week so I don't have the rifle with me. Am not sure if it started life as a MkI or MkII, so if they take a different magazine I'll wait.

I know Enfield magazines aren't interchangeable and whatever I get may need a tweak or two.

The mag that comes with the rifle is a 7 shot reworked by Golden State Arms, would like to also have a 10 rounder too.

No difference between the military issue magazines on my Long Branch No. 4 Mk1* and the Fazakerley No 4 MkII that I have. Both magazines seat and lock and unlatch and come out when they are switched between rifles. With millions of Lee Enfield magazines in the field and in the chain of supply back then, can't see why the British would have made magazines differently so that they would have been inoperable if switched between the Mk1 and MkII Lee Enfield No. 4.

[dfletcher]

Thanks all, I appreciate the help. I figure I'll have to tweak the mag a bit to make it seat & feed. Just wanted to ensure it wasn't a different animal, so to speak.

Not saying I enjoy the foolish waiting period, but I guess it does allow us to get the other goodies lined up before the gun comes home.

[mj1]

I'm not an expert on anything but ?
"I bought a "Golden State" reworked to "Jungle Carbine." Says to me #1MkIII rifles converted to a near #5. I remember seeing them at shows in a silver chrome dulled finish . The tell was the charger bridge.

I'm mostly wrong but if that is so then a SMLE #1 MkIII magazine should work. Also the five round Santa Fe magazines should work fine look a lot better

Google it I'm not reliable after 3:00PM. Plus without pictures we are lost in space.

Wiki:

The most common cause of worn-out muzzles, crowns and rifling is daily cleaning of unused rifles with steel cleaning rods from the muzzle end.[citation needed]
Post-war non-military conversions

Though they did not invent the name, the designation "Jungle Carbine" was used by the Golden State Arms Corporation in the 1950s and 1960s to market sporterised military surplus Lee–Enfield rifles under the "Santa Fe" brand.[21] Golden State Arms Co. imported huge numbers of SMLE Mk III* and Lee–Enfield No. 4 rifles and converted them to civilian versions of the No. 5 Mk I and general sporting rifles for the hunting and recreational shooting markets in the US, marketing them as "Santa Fe Jungle Carbine" rifles and "Santa Fe Mountaineer" rifles, among other names.[21]

This has led to a lot of confusion regarding the identification of actual No. 5 Mk I "Jungle Carbine" rifles, as opposed to the post-war civilian sporting rifles marketed under the same name.[5] The easiest way to identify a "Jungle Carbine" rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. 5 will have "Rifle No 5 Mk I" electrostencilled there,[22] while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings or markings from manufacturers who did not make the No. 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or Long Branch).[5] Santa Fe "Jungle Carbine" rifles are so marked on the barrel.[21]

Companies such as the Gibbs Rifle Company and Navy Arms in the U.S. have produced and sold completely re-built Enfields of all descriptions, most notably their recent "#7 Jungle Carbine" (made from Ishapore 2A1 rifles) and the "Bulldog" or "Tanker" carbine rifles, which are also fashioned original SMLE and No. 4 rifles.[23]

[dfletcher]

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Golden State did a variety of reworks. Some off the NoI MkIII and some off the No4 MkI and MMkII. The one I'm picking up is definitely a No4 - has the ladder rear sight, not the barrel mounted type sight. And flat side receiver.

I have a Gibbs 45/70 made off a No1 and a No4MkII made into a T version with the help of SARCO. Should probably just get a plain old unfilched with Enfield sooner or later.

[mj1]

That should be a plus, have you a photo ? My Gibbs #5

[dfletcher]

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I should dig them out & learn how to do photos here.

The 45/70 is their "Summit" model IIRC. I had the action drilled & tapped a few years back, Williams mount I think. Put an old Bushnell Scope Chief on it.

Re the SARCO sniper - keep in mind I bought the donor rifle about 20 years back when they were cheap as heck, otherwise I'm going to be up for "Oh No You Didn't" award of the year. A hint - blonde wood and all matching numbers.

I have an old Cad-Technik bolt on side mount for No4s. If the Golden State has OK accuracy might use that - add an Enfield cheekpiece and have a faux "Jungle Carbine Sniper" version? Slightly less realistic than a scoped M1 Carbine.

[fal_762x51]

If you want to pay shipping, I have a No4 magazine you can have. I think it is a Long Branch one but will confirm when I get back.

[mj1]

5's

[smle-man]

5's

Nice and rare!