CMP 1911 FOIA request

[John Browning]

What is the process for this? Anybody know how to do a FOIA request on a CMP 1911 or Garand?

Thanks.

[mhlang99]

1911 FOIA request

1911 forum on CMP website has all the answers to your FOIA request.

[rice_man]

There qas a thread on this recently - last year or so? Will have to see if I can dig it up

[Wheellock]

Is this Freedom of Information Act, or does FOIA have another meaning?

[Wheellock]

Google helped me. Also, here is one thread about it:

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=252770

[pitfighter]

Google helped me. Also, here is one thread about it:

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=252770

Nice and brutally honest.
I have an M1 Thompson I want to research some.
I may well use this source.

Thank you for doing the bag work.

[Jeepergeo]

FOIA response from USAMC:

"The firearm for which you have requested information was logged as stolen from the USMC-MP evidence room on or about January 9, 1962 where it was being held as pretrial evidence in support of a brutal deployment murder. Be advised that there is no statute of limitations on theft of government property held as evidence.

If you are in possession of this firearm, you must report immediately to the nearest USMC-MP office, or FBI office, with said firearm. While it is not the intent at this time to detain you or to arrest you, you may wish to bring an attorney with if you."

[pitfighter]

FOIA response from USAMC:

"The firearm for which you have requested information was logged as stolen from the USMC-MP evidence room on or about January 9, 1962 where it was being held as pretrial evidence in support of a brutal deployment murder. Be advised that there is no statute of limitations on theft of government property held as evidence.

If you are in possession of this firearm, you must report immediately to the nearest USMC-MP office, or FBI office, with said firearm. While it is not the intent at this time to detain you or to arrest you, you may wish to bring an attorney with if you."

That's a rich one, did someone actually get that? Or is it the result of an active imagination.
Unfortunately my sarcasm radar has been over whelmed lately, with news that should have been ironic being real, lol.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

That's a rich one, did someone actually get that? Or is it the result of an active imagination.
Unfortunately my sarcasm radar has been over whelmed lately, with news that should have been ironic being real, lol.

The dead giveaway of that phony email is the added detail about the nature of the crime it is supposedly connected to. And of course the poor grammar.

[John Browning]

FOIA response from USAMC:

"The firearm for which you have requested information was logged as stolen from the USMC-MP evidence room on or about January 9, 1962 where it was being held as pretrial evidence in support of a brutal deployment murder. Be advised that there is no statute of limitations on theft of government property held as evidence.

If you are in possession of this firearm, you must report immediately to the nearest USMC-MP office, or FBI office, with said firearm. While it is not the intent at this time to detain you or to arrest you, you may wish to bring an attorney with if you."

It's a CMP 1911, but I bet that a very decent number of 1911s would come back stolen if the government kept good enough records. Grandpa didn't bring back his .45, he liberated it. The number of 1911s given with permission as take home souvenirs: zero.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Since I paid a premium for my M1 carbine, on the strong verbal provenance of the seller that Audie Murphy carried it all across Italy, I don't really need any additional documentation for what I know to be fact. Plus, there were so few Plainfield M1 carbines built during the war, that it doesn't even show up on that WW2 mfg pie chart.

It has a very prominent place in my milsurp collection, along with one other battle prize. I also have an actual (not repro) Inland M1 carbine with the very rare experimental metal handguard, which was designed to keep the barrel from melting under extended full auto fire when used with drum magazines.

A bit of additional research revealed something even better: One of the many battle cartouches on it is the "Blue Sky" barrel stamp. As the story goes, these rifles were "land leased" to South Korea during the 1960's and were part of the RoK Blue Sky Airborne regiment. Not much public info exists on this, which makes sense since it was their "special ops" and did a lot of black ops stuff.

[John Browning]

Since I paid a premium for my M1 carbine, on the strong verbal provenance of the seller that Audie Murphy carried it all across Italy, I don't really need any additional documentation for what I know to be fact. Plus, there were so few Plainfield M1 carbines built during the war, that it doesn't even show up on that WW2 mfg pie chart.

It has a very prominent place in my milsurp collection, along with one other battle prize. I also have an actual (not repro) Inland M1 carbine with the very rare experimental metal handguard, which was designed to keep the barrel from melting under extended full auto fire when used with drum magazines.

A bit of additional research revealed something even better: One of the many battle cartouches on it is the "Blue Sky" barrel stamp. As the story goes, these rifles were "land leased" to South Korea during the 1960's and were part of the RoK Blue Sky Airborne regiment. Not much public info exists on this, which makes sense since it was their "special ops" and did a lot of black ops stuff.

Total BS. Come on.

Blue Sky was stamped on every gun dropped by the OSS behind enemy lines in Europe so that nobody knew where it came from. It came from the "blue sky."

Get it right.

[Jeepergeo]

That's a rich one, did someone actually get that? Or is it the result of an active imagination.
Unfortunately my sarcasm radar has been over whelmed lately, with news that should have been ironic being real, lol.

It was sarcasm. I should have followed it with a Smilie.

Bottom line, I doubt the OP will get anything meaningful for the FOIA request and it could put the OP on a radar screen the OP would rather not be on.

[Calif Hunter]

Total BS. Come on.

Blue Sky was stamped on every gun dropped by the OSS behind enemy lines in Europe so that nobody knew where it came from. It came from the "blue sky."

Get it right.

I think the whole post was in jest. Plainfield Carbines were made in the 1960s after WWII. They were civilian.

[pitfighter]

It was sarcasm. I should have followed it with a Smilie.

Bottom line, I doubt the OP will get anything meaningful for the FOIA request and it could put the OP on a radar screen the OP would rather not be on.

I figured.

On the Machinegunboards - Thompson forums, there was a thread about FOIA requests and some collectors had had varying degrees of success.

The interesting thing about M1 (and M1A1) Thomspons, and I am a novice, though I own and have read cover-to-cover the Iannamico and Skennerton Thompson tomes (both are excellent resources.)
IS that the M1/M1A1 records were lost, they have dates and records for the 1921's, 1928's, etc., but in 1942, when the M1 replaced the over complicated and expensive to produce M1928, the records become really difficult to dig up.
Rough dates, production etc., even those are contradictory, so the FOIA provided a minor sliver of hope for a little more info.

One of many ironies of the Thompson, is that John Thompson who developed the firearm and his son, who took over the business after his father, both died without seeing a glimmer of the success (tens of millions of dollars of profits) that WW2 would afford the Tommy gun.
It was a rough ride for them both, with their biggest success being one of infamy.

reading the post WW1 era Army rejection letters is hilarious in how naive and short sighted they are.
"...Terrible inaccuracy at 300 yards, Trench-gun is far better at close range, this SMG thing will never deemed useful for any purpose!.."