ID this cartridge?

[sigstroker]

Posting here because you guys know a lot of weird old stuff.

This is a 7.62 NATO/.308 cartridge although it doesn't have a NATO cross. I wish I could post a picture of the headstamp but my camera (and the photographer) aren't up to the task, so I'll describe it.

It has 3 markings spread evenly around the base. A year (76 in this case), then something like an upside down pi, then something that looks like a K on it's side. Primer sealed with red compound and circular crimp like US ammo. The bullet has a black tip, sticks to a magnet, and is seated to where a cannelure is exposed by .1 inch or so. I doubt it's a 30-06 reload because the case looks pristine and so does the primer. I have several of these.

[SVT-40]

Israeli...

[SkyHawk]

Israeli 7.62 x 51

Like this?

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That's it!!! You win a cookie. You even got a pic that matched the year.

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I KNEW someone on this forum would have the weird knowledge on this thing.

[SVT-40]

That's it!!! You win a cookie. You even got a pic that matched the year.

I beat him by 3 minutes... No cookie for him!!!

[SkyHawk]

PS - the ‘cannelure’ might be a milled ring for night identification? I have seen some tracer rounds that look like exposed cannelure but NATO marking guides say they are rings for night ID. I don’t know why you would need that on AP rounds but who knows

I beat him by 3 minutes... No cookie for him!!!

Took me a few minutes to go find a pic

Anyhow OP if you don’t need them, ship them to me and I will send them on their way from my Israeli 1919

[SVT-40]

Took me a few minutes to go find a pic

I'll split it with you!!!

[Rogerbutthead]

"ת" - how does that look like an upside down "PI" - ?

more like a sideways "y"

[SVT-40]

Pi y schmy. Sideways y.

[sigstroker]

"ת" - how does that look like an upside down "PI" - ?

more like a sideways "y"

I was referencing it where the outside of the rim equates to down, as it does with the 76.

[sigstroker]

Looked like a cannelure to me.

So the black tip is AP? I don't even remember where I got them, they were mixed in with a batch of LC tracer I have. (It's okay, I'm not in CA)

Those 1919's are 7.62?

[SVT-40]

Looked like a cannelure to me.

So the black tip is AP? I don't even remember where I got them, they were mixed in with a batch of LC tracer I have. (It's okay, I'm not in CA)



Those 1919's are 7.62?

Yup AP.

The Israeli 1919's were chambered in 7.62 along with their K98's and FAL's.

[SkyHawk]

Looked like a cannelure to me.

Yeah it might be, but why not crimp at the cannelure? Anyhow I would also sure like to know more about these ‘night identification rings’. Maybe they are only on some tracer rounds.

https://www.cartridgecollector.net/762-x-51-nato

Here is a pic of some 50BMG tracer projectiles - you can see the cannelure then above that the ring. I am curious how this ring is used for night ID?? Maybe because using a red light to observe them you would not see the red tip?

[sigstroker]

I've only got the black tip in the Israeli, it has the "identifier" groove.

All my 7.62 tracer is Lake City. I've got various weird .50 BMG tracer, I think some of it is Israeli. No, I don't have a gun to shoot it, I just picked up random fifty mil-surp at gun shows over the years. I never see that kind of stuff any more.