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  • highpower
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2012
    • 5298

    Picked up an old sword yesterday

    I am not really an avid sword collector, but I do like old stuff (kind of like me) and I sort of fell into a deal on this sword.

    What I have been able to find out so far is the makers surname is Kaneshige from Mino Prefecture. His first name is missing, likely cut off when the sword was shortened. Typical date range for Mino blades in this configuration is from the mid 1500's to early 1600's. There is another possibility that the Kaneshige that made it was active as a sword maker in the mid to late 1400's. Whichever Kaneshige made it, it looks as though it is most likely either a early "New Sword" or a late "Old Sword".

    The grain of the metal is called a burl pattern as it resembles the grain in a wood burl. The Hamon (temper line) is a Suguha, or straight pattern. While it is in kind of rough condition, the blade is still sharp enough to cut the poo out of you if you aren't careful when handling it. The scabbard is the typical wood covered in leather for military use and it has a small repair at the bottom using a different kind of leather than was used on the original cover.

    So what I have is a very old family blade that was captured during WWII. Unfortunately the guy I got it from failed to get any kind of a back story on the now deceased vet that brought it home so I have no idea of where it was captured.

    All in all, I don't think I did too badly for the $150 I paid for it.











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    Emdawg
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 4292

    Nice find. Original Japanese blades are highly collectible.

    One thing: don't touch the blade with bare hands. Finger prints and polished steel on swords don't go well.
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    • #3
      edgerly779
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Aug 2009
      • 19871

      There is a swordsmith on Pawn Stars that does referrals. Maybe contact them for contact info.

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      • #4
        theLBC
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        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2017
        • 6661

        nice find

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        • #5
          highpower
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2012
          • 5298

          I'm still kind of in shock that this blade is probably 500 years old. At first I was thinking it was another machine made blade from the early twentieth century. I am leaning towards having it professionally appraised and if it is worth enough I will have to make a decision whether to get it professionally restored by a reputable person.

          I know that at this point I am reluctant to let it out of my possession, so I will probably try to look up the the guy that Gold and Silver Pawn use and just drive down there to have him look at it.
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          • #6
            BrunRox
            • Jan 2016
            • 194

            Congrats !!!

            I don't think you can go wrong with what you paid for it !! LOL

            That Sword is every collectors dream.., to find a 500 year old blade hidden away in military mounts.

            Just out of curiosity.., what makes you think the blade was shortened ?

            Regards, Mario
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            • #7
              jarhead714
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2012
              • 8592

              As I recall the handles were usually shortened, not the blade.

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              • #8
                baranski
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2015
                • 3852

                Subd, interested in the outcome, congrats on the find.
                Originally posted by ACfixer
                there's plenty of sissies and snitches roaming the hallways here.

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                • #9
                  ccandgc
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 2142

                  Maybe you could find out more here....got lots of info on my 2 swords here-

                  -Chad

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                  • #10
                    BrunRox
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 194

                    Originally posted by jarhead714
                    As I recall the handles were usually shortened, not the blade.
                    Yes.., you're correct...

                    In most cases they were shortened at the Tang (Nakago).. not the blade.

                    I just don't see that Nakago being messed with.

                    Regards, Mario
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                    • #11
                      Tere_Hanges
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 6268

                      Wow, that is an awesome relic. When something is that old (500 years?) restoration is really out of the question. Preservation is the objective. The signs of age are part of its charm now. It is what it is.
                      Last edited by Tere_Hanges; 09-22-2019, 8:05 AM.
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                      • #12
                        highpower
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2012
                        • 5298

                        It definitely has been shortened, most likely sometime in the late 1930's or very early in the 1940's. You can still see traces of the Hamon towards the handle. It looks like it was shortened about 2" and a new handle installed at that time.
                        Last edited by highpower; 09-22-2019, 10:53 AM.
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                        • #13
                          CAL.BAR
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                          • Nov 2007
                          • 5632

                          FANTASTIC FIND. A STEAL!

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                          • #14
                            Garand Hunter
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 2773

                            Great score bro, don't ever send it down the road.

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                            • #15
                              rmnc3r
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2017
                              • 988

                              JEALOUS!

                              Blade is probably 1400s and was a Koto Tachi (longer and worn blade down) - other holes were drilled/punched later as Uchi Katana (shortened, worn blade up) became popular in the 1600s, and maybe again when it became Gunto (possibly further shortened and worn blade down again). The Patina on the Nakago is encouraging, likely indicating a very old (Koto) Blade

                              Contact the San Francisco Token Kai for help / advice / appraiser references

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