metal links

[ccandgc]

I was wondering if metal links for 1919a4, 1917a1, M2, etc are considered hi cap like cloth belts are? I'm talking an unloaded box of them....not a loaded belt of 10+.

Thanks!
Chad

[CAL.BAR]

Yes, they most certainly are.

[superhondaz50]

Depends who you talk to. There is no case law, nor DOJ interpretation on the issue.
The two trains of thought on calguns are:
1. A link, by itself is a one round ammunition feeding device. It can't hold more than 1rd by itself and is therefore legal. It has the ability though to be linked with other 1rd AFD's to create a legal or illegal AFD.
2. A link by itself is a part to repair/replace/create a high capacity ammunition feeding device and is therefore illegal.

Search button will help you find the threads where we all bicker amongst ourselves about it

[ccandgc]

thanks guys....that's what I was thinking. Oh well.....

[ccandgc]

I guess I worded it poorly, didn't find anything. I'll look again.

Depends who you talk to. There is no case law, nor DOJ interpretation on the issue.
The two trains of thought on calguns are:
1. A link, by itself is a one round ammunition feeding device. It can't hold more than 1rd by itself and is therefore legal. It has the ability though to be linked with other 1rd AFD's to create a legal or illegal AFD.
2. A link by itself is a part to repair/replace/create a high capacity ammunition feeding device and is therefore illegal.

Search button will help you find the threads where we all bicker amongst ourselves about it

[loademup]

Here in California, a local dealer was selling the FN M249S SAW "semi-auto rifle". It still can be fed by a belt using metal links or by magazine, at least from what I have seen on YouTube reviews. However, if you bought one in CA, I don't know the legality of using the belt and by inference...the links, maybe a gray area, and if you do link one up, I would not make a belt more than 10 rounds.

Any one on Calguns in California have one these new semi-auto FN 249s and did the links come with the rifle or a magazine?

[smle-man]

When I still lived in CA I used a cloth belt cut into 10 rd sections for my 1919. I kept my links separated pending my move from the state.

[pitfighter]

"Disintergrating" belt links like the M27 "unloaded" (not-sectioned together with rounds) are not contraband.
If you link them in excess of ten rounds then they're a problem.
The simple solution is don't keep them linked up until you get to the range.

Non-disintergrating belts, like the MG34/42, Canvas Vickers/Maxim, Maxim M1910 metal are contraband unless you "snip" them to be ten rounds only.

The belts of dummy rounds they sell on Hollywood Blvd., are contraband, but, who really cares.

On a side note, many of the semi-belt-fed featureless rifles have a custom assault drum/can that will only allow a ten round section of belt to be loaded - I thought this was a wise way of covering yourself legally - belt and suspenders.

[ccandgc]

Appreciate the input. Nowhere around here to shoot neutered 10 round belted things anyway, at least that I've found. Just thinking about the day I can leave this godforsaken state for the free country.

[wilderness medic]

Cool to hear. I was just wondering about the dummy links the other day. Lots of surplus stores and decorations use them. Is ca saying they are all illegal now? Hmm...

[superhondaz50]

Cool to hear. I was just wondering about the dummy links the other day. Lots of surplus stores and decorations use them. Is ca saying they are all illegal now? Hmm...

Ya, illegal. Same thing as a 30rd AR mag stuffed with 223 dummies.

[B Gardner]

Never thought about linked empty shells being a high cap magazine. My military group has linked belts of 50, 30 and 223 cal that we let people pose with when have their picture taken with our weapons. The 50 cal is a 200 round belt, the others are looped so you can criss cross them on you chest to look bad-***. Security and LEO stop by all the time to check out our weapons and just talk. Never had anyone say anything about them. I guess I should talk to our group about this.

[DevRogue]

interesting thing w/ freedom week.....you could technically linked your 10-round links together to as many rounds as possible and still be ok. but the moment they come apart after being fired....putting it together after that 1-week period meant you were re-manufacturing a high cap mag.

only way around would of been to sow together cloth links "during" that week so that you're not re-manufacturing the length itself.

[edgerly779]

It is a large cap mag kit.

[Syntax Error]

You got all your belts and links during "Freedom Week", when acquisition of such items were legal, right?