C&R list

[boris badinov]

Isn't the Phoenix Arms HP25 still in production or just the HP22? Could the HP25 be considered C&R? Actually some of the ring of fire type guns are getting to be close to 50 years old Raven/Phoenix was founded around 1971 or 1972.

There actually is rare ring of fire guns most don't being huge bucks. Like the Sedco version of the Jennings J-22 or the Jennings Junior rifle or the Sundance Point Blank.

Yes, It appears to be still in production.

Here are the BATF requirements for C&R status:

1.Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;

2.Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

3.Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

My guess would be, NO. Not as a Relic, obviously. And no significant characteristics required for a Curio.

[CharlesV]

Reiterating here,

If you read on the link provided before you will see that 50 years is an automatic date to be C&R but what qualifies isnt limited to that.

As the link says, the List is more of a guide because items that qualify as C&R dont have to be on the list to be valid. And the public can send in a weapon for examination if its believed it should be included as a C&R classification.

And.....to re-clarify a very old question, if the C&R is also NFA, then NFA rules apply.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=70394195a3edf623eba7ce77a1bddff1&node=27:3.0.1.2.3&rgn=div5

[shootsocal_dave]

Unless it’s section III NFA removed***

[jl7422]

Lots of cool stuff in section III