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  • pitfighter
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 3141

    A Mexican Dragoon.

    Found this pitiful old relic at a hoarder's estate.
    Swapped a couple of swords for it ($400 or so value) as he refused to sell anything.
    It was triple plated and heavily buffed, all markings, which were (very) poor fake Colt markings, were buffed almost invisible.

    The plating was damp-damaged and ugly - it was definitely not an original Colt or an Italian replica.


    After some research I found these were most likely South of the border fakes, late 19th century early 20th century manufacture. Basically made by small machine shops to help supply the demand for Sam Colt's revolvers.
    I had thought it might be a Belgian knock off, but their fakes are a little-different and the engraving (text) is better applied.
    *It is serial numbered, not a bad fake number font - and every part matches - however they have not broken the number on the base plate, but, gone beneath the screw - unlike the original first model Colts - although 7496 is actually surprisingly in the range for the First Pattern Dragoon series - they probably reverse engineered a real one.

    The timing and lock-up on this one are crisp, precise and positive. As good as any modern Italian replica in my opinion, so it was worth a little work.

    The trigger spring is a rigid V shaped viper that proved a strength test to re-assemble, not the screwed in later type. This thing will out last me, lol.

    First Model:
    The First Model Colt Dragoon Revolver has oval cylinder notches, a V-type mainspring, no wheel on the rear of the hammer, no pins between the nipples on the cylinder and a square back trigger guard. Colt produced about 7,000 first models between 1848 and 1850.

    I used 0000 wool and chrome polish, then just oil and 0000, with a plastic buff afterward.
    The brass had been gold plated and every screw, too.
    It had been plated over then top of pitting and rust - which was the evidence it was not an original plate.
    The cylinder had been chrome bumper plated - which took forever to gently trick-off.

    There was a lot of rust inside, and I cleaned it out and oiled it.

    I have left the plating on the cylinder rod, as the fit is just about perfect and I didn't want to affect that and risk having a rattling cylinder.

    I used a cold blue on the white metal, then buffed with 0000 and oil, then a second and third application of cold blue.

    These are not worth much and 1960's plating was sure as hell not adding to the collector or re-sale value, neither of which particularly concern me.
    I just rather like the Mexican Cowboy gun -

    Last edited by pitfighter; 03-29-2018, 9:20 AM.
    Pitfighter.
    CA/AZ
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    Grendl
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 1657

    It sure came out purdy!
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    • #3
      pitfighter
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 3141

      Hopefully shooting it, or handling a lot will even it out and give it some more age.

      The Colt standard was that parts, screws, pieces would interchange, that was his spiel at the London world's fair trade show, and also one of the first assembly line factory manifests. Made him an extremely rich man, that and unfair patents and paid-print mud slinging at the competition, lol.
      One thing's for sure, the Mexican shop this was assembled in did not follow Sam Colt's line of thought, no two screws are alike, lol - had to mark them carefully as I disassembled it.
      Pitfighter.
      CA/AZ

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      • #4
        plumbum
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2010
        • 5394

        That is a true Vaquero! Nice work, btw.
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        • #5
          81turbota
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Oct 2014
          • 2956

          Wow, Pit. You rescued that one! Excellent work turning it around.
          C&R nut.

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          • #6
            78marz
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 370

            Sweet!

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            • #7
              Beetle Bailey
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2004
              • 2620

              That is very cool! Nice work
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              • #8
                sealocan
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2012
                • 9953

                Mexican Colt = a Molt ?


                Build a wall


                ... so you can hang it up there, about 10 feet, and display it proudly.





                Very nice restoration / save.

                Thank you for letting us check it out.

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                • #9
                  condor
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1102

                  WITHOUT THE 2nd THERE WON'T BE A 1st...]

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                  • #10
                    onelonehorseman
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4888

                    Very well done sir!

                    I like that bowie in your photo too!
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                    • #11
                      Wyatt Burp
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 1317

                      As opposed to Belgium guns yours looks perfectly shaped in all respects with a real Colt. Some copies of American guns by Europeans have goofy shaped grips. Did Mexico use metric screws? Is your gun's screws metric? Here's a video of a 1959 western featuring fast draw holster maker and tech. gun coach Arvo Ojala spinning and shooting a "Walker". Someone made imitation Walker's in the 50s but I forgot his name. Maybe this was one. Your Dragoon looks excellent and might be a more significant piece than we might think.

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                      • #12
                        pitfighter
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 3141

                        Originally posted by Wyatt Burp
                        As opposed to Belgium guns yours looks perfectly shaped in all respects with a real Colt. Some copies of American guns by Europeans have goofy shaped grips. Did Mexico use metric screws? Is your gun's screws metric? Here's a video of a 1959 western featuring fast draw holster maker and tech. gun coach Arvo Ojala spinning and shooting a "Walker". Someone made imitation Walker's in the 50s but I forgot his name. Maybe this was one. Your Dragoon looks excellent and might be a more significant piece than we might think.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyn6wRnOuw&t=3s
                        All the images of Mexican "clones" "copies" "manufacturer unknown" on-line were of the SAA variety - all had the "small" trigger you mention - quite distinctively NOT Colt.
                        They also made reduced size SAA's - as in slightly miniature.
                        The only "clone" Walkers or Dragoons I've seen have been at gun-shows over the years. Also mentioned in Keith's Six Guns.

                        Someone worked hard on this one - dimensions are very good, mistakes are in the engraved texts - serial numbers - all slightly off.
                        Metal finish inside - meaning when disassembled is really rough, cast looking.
                        Also the barrel wedge is wrong for the Dragoon of this model - it should have the larger head on it.
                        Although, like the original this one has no leaf spring holding it in place.

                        That said - the action is amazingly tight - probably dumb-luck.

                        Thankfully the plate was really light and weak, I just rubbed it off the Screw heads with a plastic Brillo pad - triple blueing them took longer than stripping them.

                        Thanks for the comments:
                        I'll post some more pics when I have time -
                        Last edited by pitfighter; 03-28-2018, 9:17 AM.
                        Pitfighter.
                        CA/AZ

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                        • #13
                          Saigon1965
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                          • Nov 2003
                          • 17278

                          She cleaned up nicely - These were all one-off?

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                          • #14
                            wpage
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                            • Jan 2011
                            • 6071

                            Well done!
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                            • #15
                              pitfighter
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 3141

                              Originally posted by Saigon1965
                              She cleaned up nicely - These were all one-off?
                              The Mexican SAA's all look like they came from the same artisan - they have an "anachronistic" small trigger guard.
                              I haven't seen enough Mexican or "clone" Walker or Dragoon models to speak with any confidence.

                              Fun stuff - on Gunboards a member who saw this, mentioned a fellow making one off Walkers and Dragoons in Florida in the 40' and 50's his prices were high and his wait time over a year - this might be one of his.
                              Who knows.

                              I would have thought an artisan like that would have spent a little more time on the patent stamp and the address line on the barrel - and not botch up the serial on the lower receiver. Maybe get the correct barrel wedge, too - so I am inclined to think this was a South of the border, better than usual.
                              Pitfighter.
                              CA/AZ

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