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  • #31
    Orlando
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    • Sep 2010
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    • #32
      robodeer
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 561

      Any change in regards to importation of old surplus after Trump came into office?
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      • #33
        Tere_Hanges
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2013
        • 6268

        Originally posted by robodeer
        Any change in regards to importation of old surplus after Trump came into office?
        Recent thread on the topic. Its been in the works since he took office, so at least a year's worth of discussion on it. Old news so to speak. Its most likely where these IHCs came from since CMP hasnt offered them in a while.

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        • #34
          Orlando
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 1827

          CMP's rifles are not imported,so the importation ban does not affect them. By a act of Congress rifles returned to the US Army may be turned over to CMP.

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          • #35
            Tere_Hanges
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2013
            • 6268

            Originally posted by Orlando
            CMP's rifles are not imported,so the importation ban does not affect them. By a act of Congress rifles returned to the US Army may be turned over to CMP.
            I think he was referring to the Obama executive order that was stopping the CMP from receiving any shipments.
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            • #36
              Orlando
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 1827

              Originally posted by lightcav
              I think he was referring to the Obama executive order that was stopping the CMP from receiving any shipments.
              There was no such thing that affected CMP. CMP's rifle supply was running low because there were no rifles being returned to the Army.
              Obamas executive order affected US Importers, not CMP as they are not "Importers"

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              • #37
                Tere_Hanges
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2013
                • 6268

                Originally posted by Orlando
                There was no such thing that affected CMP. CMP's rifle supply was running low because there were no rifles being returned to the Army.
                Obamas executive order affected US Importers, not CMP as they are not "Importers"
                This is what I am referring to, sorry for any confusion:

                On August 29, 2013, the Obama administration announced two Executive Orders that will restrict the importation and domestic transfers of certain classes of firearms. These two Executive Orders operate as law by fiat, not subject to Congressional concurrence.


                "One Executive Order bans the re-importation of surplus U.S.-made rifles, including M1 Garands and M1 Carbines. Such rifles are used in Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) competitions. For decades the CMP has sold M1 Garands and M1 Carbines, many re-imported from arsenals overseas, to qualified American shooters. The White House stated: “Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums.”"
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                • #38
                  robodeer
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                  • Oct 2007
                  • 561

                  Originally posted by lightcav
                  I think he was referring to the Obama executive order that was stopping the CMP from receiving any shipments.
                  Exactly. Sorry for mixing things up.
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                  • #39
                    robodeer
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 561

                    Originally posted by lightcav
                    Recent thread on the topic. Its been in the works since he took office, so at least a year's worth of discussion on it. Old news so to speak. Its most likely where these IHCs came from since CMP hasnt offered them in a while.

                    https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1420612
                    Thank you for the link.
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                    • #40
                      2761377
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 2068

                      Originally posted by Orlando
                      There was no such thing that affected CMP. CMP's rifle supply was running low because there were no rifles being returned to the Army.
                      Obamas executive order affected US Importers, not CMP as they are not "Importers"
                      you keep having ostrich vision on this. OK, CMP is not an importer.

                      but, they have been selling re-imported rifles for 20 years. CMP gets these rifles through the Department of the Army, which is controlled by political appointees.

                      If Obama's Secretary of the Army is told "Do Not Try to Re-acquire MAP rifles" that amounts to an importation ban.

                      sometimes I wonder about your politics.
                      MAGA

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                      • #41
                        Orlando
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 1827

                        Originally posted by 2761377
                        you keep having ostrich vision on this. OK, CMP is not an importer.

                        but, they have been selling re-imported rifles for 20 years. CMP gets these rifles through the Department of the Army, which is controlled by political appointees.

                        If Obama's Secretary of the Army is told "Do Not Try to Re-acquire MAP rifles" that amounts to an importation ban.

                        sometimes I wonder about your politics.
                        Sir
                        I have no politics I just know the facts
                        CMP has never, ever sold reimported or imported rifles period, That article IS WRONG
                        CMP was Chartered by Congress, they are NOT a Importer
                        The Koreans wanted to sell their rifles to the highest bidder, CMP does not buy rifles. Those rifles were blocked by executive order
                        Rifles are returned to the Army from countries they were loaned to . Obamas order does not affect the Army, it was never in the executive order
                        The Army then turns them over to CMP.
                        You need to do some research guys
                        Last edited by Orlando; 03-14-2018, 4:51 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Tere_Hanges
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 6268

                          Originally posted by Orlando
                          Sir
                          I have no politics I just know the facts
                          CMP has never, ever sold reimported or imported rifles period, That article IS WRONG
                          CMP was Chartered by Congress, they are NOT a Importer
                          The Koreans wanted to sell their rifles to the highest bidder, CMP does not buy rifles. Those rifles were blocked by executive order
                          Rifles are returned to the Army from countries they were loaned to . Obamas order does not affect the Army, it was never in the executive order
                          The Army then turns them over to CMP.
                          You need to do some research guys
                          Umm... yeah.. ok. Im not sure what you are talking about. Im not trying to start any argument. I never said anything about the Korean M1s. Im just posting about the Obama order that was issued. The exact words from the Obama administration:

                          "Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums.”

                          I think its pretty clear what the intent of the order was and how it would affect the CMP.
                          CRPA and NRA member.

                          Note that those who have repeatedly expressed enough vile and incoherent content as to render your views irrelevant, have been placed on my ignore list. Thank you for helping me improve my experience and direct my attention towards those who are worthy of it. God bless your toxic little souls.

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                          • #43
                            2761377
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 2068

                            Originally posted by Orlando
                            Sir
                            I have no politics I just know the facts
                            CMP has never, ever sold reimported or imported rifles period, That article IS WRONG
                            CMP was Chartered by Congress, they are NOT a Importer
                            The Koreans wanted to sell their rifles to the highest bidder, CMP does not buy rifles. Those rifles were blocked by executive order
                            Rifles are returned to the Army from countries they were loaned to . Obamas order does not affect the Army, it was never in the executive order
                            The Army then turns them over to CMP.
                            You need to do some research guys
                            "Sir" now? as if you don't know me?

                            again, let me re-iterate- the Secretary of the Army takes orders from the Commander in Chief. Obama never needed to make an Executive Order to direct his political appointee to not pursue MAP rifles. all he needed was a phone call. the pen was not required.

                            the rifles from Denmark, Greece and Turkey were most definitely re-imported. your only recourse to this reality is pedantry.

                            have you any evidence that the Danish, Greek and Turk rifles were volunteered to be returned, with out any impetus from Dept of the Army? you know as well as I that negotiations occurred.

                            to claim that politics was not involved in the recent shortage is disingenuous, at best.
                            MAGA

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