ZF-41 Sniper Scope

[SamGoldstein]

I have a Yugo refurbished K98k that I would like to outfit with a scope. I do not wanna drill and tap it though. I was watching InRange with Ian and Karl, and they were shooting a 98k with this scope:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1049480

Apparently, the Germans replaced the rear sight with this scope in the field during WW2. So, has anybody bought this scope? And if so, did you find it useful? I understand getting it to zero is a pain, any trouble with that? Was the eye relief good? It would cost $500 for scope and mount to fit the rifle.

Another option is to buy this: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1049270

And then find a long eye relief scope. It would be cheaper set up. Can someone recommend a scope for this situation? Thanks for any help. I am completely optics/scopes ignorant. Thanks for any info.

[81turbota]

It's not as simple as replacing the rear sight for a ZF41. The entire rear sight base, which is soldered, needs to be replaced. The stock also has to have relief cuts hacked into it. It's quite an irreversible modification and not worth it for an incorrect rifle.

For the sake of having a scope, I would just go with one of the "scout scope" setups that take the place of the rear sight leaf. That is reversible at any time.

[Rogerbutthead]

I have a couple of ZF-41 scoped K98's - both have been called fakes. The original ZF-41 at 1.5x has a pathetic optic effect and minimal field of view, I would not use it if I wanted a "useful" addition to an accurate rifle. 81turbota's recommendation seems much more beneficial to the goal of an accurate rifle.

[pitfighter]

Yes - not a well liked scope -
Here is a fun video on how simple it is to adjust - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oNTKnYMfI8

[GunKraut]

James, this adapter will do the job without replacing the rear sight base. I have installed a couple of these and they don't always drop right in and original ZF41 mounts won't always fit without major filing. You need a diamond file (my Ex's finger nail file was great) because the metal is quite hard.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1152210

[SamGoldstein]

Ok, so it looks like the second option is best using this to replace the rear sight: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1049270

Can someone recommend a decent scope with long eye relief for this setup? Thanks.

[SamGoldstein]

James, this adapter will do the job without replacing the rear sight base. I have installed a couple of these and they don't always drop right in and original ZF41 mounts won't always fit without major filing. You need a diamond file (my Ex's finger nail file was great) because the metal is quite hard.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1152210

I don't understand how this is installed. Can you explain?

[emcon5]

I don't understand how this is installed. Can you explain?

It looks like it replaces the elevation ramp under the sight ladder. If you remove the ladder, the ramp and spring pop right out.

There are two common scout type mounts for a K98 I know of, one from B-Square (looks like it was discontinued), and one from S&K, I bought the B-square first, but their provided screws would not fin through the holes on the ears on the rer sight on two different German K98ks. I contacted them, they advised I drill the holes larger. I guess they have a different view of what "No alteration to firearm required" means.

For the price of the one Numrich carries, it is neither of these, so probably a knockoff.

I returned it and got the S&K, and used a cheap NCStar scope for a while for handload testing. It seemed to work OK, but last time I went out, I had a hard time zeroing it. Not sure if it was the scope or the rifle, but I suspect the scope, it was only like $50.

If I had to do it over again, I would have got the Vortex scout scope, it has a decent reputation.

[GunKraut]

I don't understand how this is installed. Can you explain?

You need to remove the rear sight leaf, then carefully loosen up the rear sight set screw one turn and remove the wave shaped piece that the rear slight slider rides on. Drop the Numrich part in and you're good to go (if you don't need to file, otherwise it turns into a PITA).

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29293

[kcheung2]

If you want a C&R that can be easily scoped, get a K31 + Swiss Products mount. It has the added advantage of being accurate enough to justify optics.

[SamGoldstein]

If you want a C&R that can be easily scoped, get a K31 + Swiss Products mount. It has the added advantage of being accurate enough to justify optics.

Yeah, well, I don't have one, and I like to reload 8mm.

[GunKraut]

Like many old farts, I'm visually challenged, reading glasses and such. It makes shooting with iron sights very difficult. The ZF41, although a joke of a scope, helped me tremendously as my eyes didn't have to deal with three objects at three different distances (front sight, rear sight, target) but only with the distance to the ZF41 ocular. Before I got my first ZF41, I had good success with a 2.5x Bushnell Phantom LER scope.

Recently, I started shooting with iron sights only again. I guess it's a man's defiant reaction to the fact that his body is slowly falling apart...

[emcon5]

It is a Yugo, come over to the dark side:

[SamGoldstein]

Like many old farts, I'm visually challenged, reading glasses and such. It makes shooting with iron sights very difficult. The ZF41, although a joke of a scope, helped me tremendously as my eyes didn't have to deal with three objects at three different distances (front sight, rear sight, target) but only with the distance to the ZF41 ocular. Before I got my first ZF41, I had good success with a 2.5x Bushnell Phantom LER scope.

Recently, I started shooting with iron sights only again. I guess it's a man's defiant reaction to the fact that his body is slowly falling apart...

I'm fighting that same fight. Best to ya!

[SamGoldstein]

It is a Yugo, come over to the dark side:

Well, even if I wanted to D&T the receiver, I don't have the tools, so I'd end up paying a gunsmith for that. I'm trying to save money, but thanks for the suggestion!