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  • TonyNorCal
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2004
    • 7647

    Americas other Second World War battle rifle...got $3,800?

    Johnson...I'd love to have one...too rich$$$ for my blood though

    Perhaps they can be had less expensively...this one has lots of nice photos.

    My understanding is they saw limited use with some Marine units in WWII.

    Were it not for the Garand though this rifle would have likely have been as famous...

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    MrTuffPaws
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2156

    Still don't understand why the Johnson did not win out over the grand. 10 rounds with the ability to top off.

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    • #3
      M. Sage
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2006
      • 19759

      Seems to have been one on the wall at City Arms for as long as I can remember (not very long, I'll admit).

      Originally posted by MrTuffPaws
      Still don't understand why the Johnson did not win out over the grand. 10 rounds with the ability to top off.
      Maybe it was harder to manufacture. That made a huge difference back then.

      That was actually the driving force behind moves like the M1 Thompson over the M1928, the MG42 replacing the MG34 (though the MG42 did make some improvements), and a few others.
      Originally posted by Deadbolt
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        EOD Guy
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 1229

        The 1941 Johnson Rifle was never adopted as an official US military arm. This is a good thing for us since it is a lot easier to import and several have been brought in from Canada.

        Importing a military firearm requires an importer's FFL. A non-military firearm does not.

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        • #5
          phish
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 3089

          Ever since these appeared on the now defunct American Shooter tv show, prices on them have gone up considerably.

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            ivanimal
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            • Sep 2002
            • 14356

            I understand that there was a big deal on the barrels not being shrouded. The exposed metal was a big deal for some decision makers.
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            • #7
              Beatone
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 4053

              Looks like a great price. There is one on gunbroker for a lot more and it hasn't meet its the reserve. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=56416459 I'd be all over this if I had the extra cash. I think most sell in the $4000.00 - 5000.00 range.
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              • #8
                M. Sage
                Moderator Emeritus
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jul 2006
                • 19759

                Originally posted by EOD Guy
                The 1941 Johnson Rifle was never adopted as an official US military arm. This is a good thing for us since it is a lot easier to import and several have been brought in from Canada.

                Importing a military firearm requires an importer's FFL. A non-military firearm does not.
                I'm pretty sure USMC adopted them for a time... I seem to remember reading about them being used early in the War in the Pacific Theater.
                Originally posted by Deadbolt
                "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                • #9
                  TonyNorCal
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 7647

                  Here are some articles...







                  Apparently the Johnson was used by some Marine Raider and ParaMarine detachments early in the war. And a Johnson Light Machine Gun also saw action.


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                  I also saw the Johnson at City Army about 10 months or so ago. It's still there eh?
                  Last edited by TonyNorCal; 09-19-2006, 7:22 PM.

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                  • #10
                    JPglee1
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 3025

                    During his tenure as the Marine Corps observer to Springfield Armory, Melvin Johnson Jr. concluded that the Garand and Pederson rifles on test there both had flaws in design and would be difficult to mass produce. Johnson set about designing a rifle that would be reliable, accurate and easier to manufacture. So in 1935 he produced his first working model of a rifle using a delayed blowback system of operation. This first rifle was made from scrap firearm parts and had a knitting needle for a firing pin. Despite these rudimentary beginnings, the design worked fairly well but needed major refinements.


                    Sounds like my kinda guy

                    J

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                    • #11
                      Rogerbutthead
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 3794

                      my semi-auto Johnson LMG

                      The only person with a bipod for this wants $650. One day I will break down and pay for it.
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                      • #12
                        M. Sage
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                        • Jul 2006
                        • 19759

                        Originally posted by JPglee1


                        Sounds like my kinda guy

                        J
                        But...

                        Welding wasn't mentioned.
                        Originally posted by Deadbolt
                        "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                        "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                        • #13
                          EOD Guy
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1229

                          Originally posted by M. Sage
                          I'm pretty sure USMC adopted them for a time... I seem to remember reading about them being used early in the War in the Pacific Theater.
                          The Marines purchased and used some but they were never officially adopted.

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                            M. Sage
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                            • Jul 2006
                            • 19759

                            Originally posted by EOD Guy
                            The Marines purchased and used some but they were never officially adopted.
                            Ahhh. Thanks.
                            Originally posted by Deadbolt
                            "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                            "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                            • #15
                              JPglee1
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 3025

                              Originally posted by M. Sage
                              But...

                              Welding wasn't mentioned.
                              Nice...2 points for execution


                              J

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