FFL 03 Question

[ucladude101]

So I received my FFL 03 2 weeks ago.

I received my FFL03 and nothing else just the copy. So I have a few questions....

Does the ATF send out instructions or am I just supposed to learn that on my own?

So I do not have a COE yet...If I purchase a C&R Firearm through an 01 am I supposed to report it to my bound book?

[Malthusian]

hummm

I got a "huge" 12 x 18 FedEx envelope, bunch of pamphlets, and a list of approved firearms and a CD

That was 7 years ago


As to the bound book, if it is a C&R, per ATF yes, however read the link below

EDIT:

Read post #6 on this thread. In CA you must use an FFL, it complicates in State Purchases

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1368909

As for you packet, it ships separately

I found my FedEx Envelope:

1) Open Letter to All Recently Federally Licensed Collectors of Curio or Relic Firearms, requisition form, Inventory Theft/Loss Report form, notice Out-of-State, Discontinuance of business

2) Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide 250 pages +/-

3) Additional 30 page booklet Safety and Security Information for Federal Firearms Licensees. Additional information for reporting Theft or Loss

4) Personal Firearms Record (never saw this, I guess it serves as a temporary bound book)

5) ATF CD - State Laws and Published Ordinances: Firearms

6) One business card with ATF web address

All literature is labeled ATF, I believe they are now BATFE

YMMV

[SVT-40]

So I received my FFL 03 2 weeks ago.

I received my FFL03 and nothing else just the copy. So I have a few questions....

Does the ATF send out instructions or am I just supposed to learn that on my own?

So I do not have a COE yet...If I purchase a C&R Firearm through an 01 am I supposed to report it to my bound book?

You should get a package which will include a bunch of info the BATFE sends out to collectors. Your license was mailed separately.

Now that you ARE licensed ALL C&R firearms you "ACQUIRE" (which is the proper terminology) have to by law be entered into a bound book or electronic equivalent.

It makes no difference how you acquire a C&R firearm ALL must be entered in your book.

There are only three lawful things a 03 FFL (C&R) can do.. "Acquire" into your collection. "Hold" in your collection and "Dispose " of C&R firearms out of your collection.

You "Acquire them from any source including gifts.

You "hold" them in your collection.

You "Dispose" of them out of your collection.

Acquisitions and Disposals all must be documented in your bound book.

If you already have C&R's you do NOT need to list them in your book, as you Acquired them prior to licensing. If you "Dispose" of one of those you do need to list that disposition in your book. In the space where you document where the firearm came from you list "Personal collection".

[DrewN]

It makes no difference how you acquire a C&R firearm ALL must be entered in your book.


Even if you don't use your license to buy it and just DROS as normal?

[TRICKSTER]

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=70394195a3edf623eba7ce77a1bddff1&node=27:3.0.1.2.3&rgn=div5

[six seven tango]

Even if you don't use your license to buy it and just DROS as normal?

Yes, as long as you have a valid FFL 03, every C&R acquisition must be entered

[SVT-40]

It makes no difference how you acquire a C&R firearm ALL must be entered in your book.


Even if you don't use your license to buy it and just DROS as normal?

You don't "use" your license. You ARE licensed.

That's why it's called "acquired". Any C&R you "acquire" no matter how, must by law be entered into your book.

It doesn't matter where you got it, how you got it or who you got it from. If you "acquire" any C&R firearm while you are licensed you must enter it into your book.

The same goes for any "disposal" of any C&R firearm. If you "dispose" of any C&R firearm in any way shape or form while you are licensed you must enter that disposition into your book.

[ten888]

To OP. Just received (This month) a recent packet and this is what it contained. Note there are two missing publications:

PS300.5CD
P3317.2

They are on backorder and instructions are to contact at a future date to have them mailed.




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[ucladude101]

You don't "use" your license. You ARE licensed.

That's why it's called "acquired". Any C&R you "acquire" no matter how, must by law be entered into your book.

It doesn't matter where you got it, how you got it or who you got it from. If you "acquire" any C&R firearm while you are licensed you must enter it into your book.

The same goes for any "disposal" of any C&R firearm. If you "dispose" of any C&R firearm in any way shape or form while you are licensed you must enter that disposition into your book.

Hi Everyone thanks for your answers. I am sorry for bumping this thread but I do have a few more questions.

1. So I will have a FFL03/COE soon but I put 2 addresses on my form my home and my dads work address. So in short my Dad knows I have an 03 FFL and stuff and knows I collect but thinks I do not have as many guns as I do, as nobody really checks my safe, so I preferably do not want things being shipped there. Can I have a firearm shipped to my FFL01 up the street for me and then pick it up from him without doing anything. And if so will he have to record it as a transaction or something? And if so would I mark the guy who I originally bought it from as the seller or my FFL01.

2. Also, a follow up question to the one above is could a firearm be shipped to my home address and not the mailing address. And maybe I can submit a change of address and put my FFL01's address as the shipping address on my FFL 03?.

3. Also, so I just bought a C&R Browning High power and doing the 10 day wait and I will obviously have to log that but because it went through an FFL 01, I do not need to register it I believe?

4. When I get my COE the firearms I will have to register are: C&R Long Guns I buy FTF out of state and in state correct? Also, I will have to register all C&R handguns I buy out of state..? But if I buy in state and go through an 01 a registration is not needed correct? (Just need to log in my book). Also, I have 30 days to register from the day I buy it, it seems is this 30 days to mail or should I send it at like 20 days?

5. Also, besides the CA registration and all of that I need to log with just what is pictured (attached) and I can do that on a Computer Spreadsheet now.

6. Last question now, In the packet I received today there are Guns now that are removed as NFA items because C&R status. So how does this affect me in California. For example a Mauser Broom handle with the stock. So its exempt from NFA laws but it should be legal in CA because of fixed magazine. So can I get one no problem even though its an SBR and violates CA's OAL law, as long as its listed as the same model in the book, and Ca legal like AW?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to do this right. Thanks for all your help Calguns C&R

[six seven tango]

I'm not familiar enough with dual addresses, so I'm going to leave questions 1 and 2 alone.

3) Anything that goes thru an 01 does not need to be registered, but does need to be entered into your bound book as coming from the 01.

4) If you buy a C&R long gun, FTF, in state, you have 30 days to register with BOF 961. Any C&R that you buy out of state must be registered within 5 days of bringing it into CA using BOF 4100a. You should be good to go as long as the forms are dated and postmarked within the allotted time.

5) The picture that you linked looks good. You might want to make the transferred to/from block a bit bigger though.

6) I believe you can have C&R NFA items in CA, but they are few and far between. Someone more knowledgeable will come along with better info.

[SVT-40]

Hi Everyone thanks for your answers. I am sorry for bumping this thread but I do have a few more questions.

1. So I will have a FFL03/COE soon but I put 2 addresses on my form my home and my dads work address. So in short my Dad knows I have an 03 FFL and stuff and knows I collect but thinks I do not have as many guns as I do, as nobody really checks my safe, so I preferably do not want things being shipped there. Can I have a firearm shipped to my FFL01 up the street for me and then pick it up from him without doing anything. And if so will he have to record it as a transaction or something? And if so would I mark the guy who I originally bought it from as the seller or my FFL01.

2. Also, a follow up question to the one above is could a firearm be shipped to my home address and not the mailing address. And maybe I can submit a change of address and put my FFL01's address as the shipping address on my FFL 03?.

3. Also, so I just bought a C&R Browning High power and doing the 10 day wait and I will obviously have to log that but because it went through an FFL 01, I do not need to register it I believe?

4. When I get my COE the firearms I will have to register are: C&R Long Guns I buy FTF out of state and in state correct? Also, I will have to register all C&R handguns I buy out of state..? But if I buy in state and go through an 01 a registration is not needed correct? (Just need to log in my book). Also, I have 30 days to register from the day I buy it, it seems is this 30 days to mail or should I send it at like 20 days?

5. Also, besides the CA registration and all of that I need to log with just what is pictured (attached) and I can do that on a Computer Spreadsheet now.

6. Last question now, In the packet I received today there are Guns now that are removed as NFA items because C&R status. So how does this affect me in California. For example a Mauser Broom handle with the stock. So its exempt from NFA laws but it should be legal in CA because of fixed magazine. So can I get one no problem even though its an SBR and violates CA's OAL law, as long as its listed as the same model in the book, and Ca legal like AW?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to do this right. Thanks for all your help Calguns C&R

1. I have always had items sent to the "premises" address on my FFL. You may be able to have them sent to your "mailing" address which is also on your FFL.

You cannot have them shipped anywhere else, including a 01 type FFL. If by chance you did, the dealer would have to log it into his book, and you would have to do the DROS Ect. You would also incur any and all fees from the dealer receiving the item.

2. See above. Contact the BATFE for more info.

3. It went through a 01 FFL and you did the DROS. It only needs to be listed in your C&R book when you pick it up. In your book you will list the dealer who did the DROS as who you acquired it from.

4. Don't know. It's California stuff.

5.I have no idea what you are talking about. If you acquire a C&R you list it in your book. If you dispose of a C&R you list it in your book.

6. A C&R license does not allow you to import firearms which would not be legal otherwise into California.

So California SBR laws as well as assault weapons laws all still apply to you.

[ucladude101]

1. I have always had items sent to the "premises" address on my FFL. You may be able to have them sent to your "mailing" address which is also on your FFL.

You cannot have them shipped anywhere else, including a 01 type FFL. If by chance you did, the dealer would have to log it into his book, and you would have to do the DROS Ect. You would also incur any and all fees from the dealer receiving the item.

2. See above. Contact the BATFE for more info.

3. It went through a 01 FFL and you did the DROS. It only needs to be listed in your C&R book when you pick it up. In your book you will list the dealer who did the DROS as who you acquired it from.

4. Don't know. It's California stuff.

5.I have no idea what you are talking about. If you acquire a C&R you list it in your book. If you dispose of a C&R you list it in your book.

6. A C&R license does not allow you to import firearms which would not be legal otherwise into California.

So California SBR laws as well as assault weapons laws all still apply to you.

Ok thanks for the answer everyone. A lot was clarifying but you guys also answered some really helpful questions.

So buying a handgun through an 01 in state....Do I list the dealer so the Gun shop employee or the Gun shop? That was the thing I do not understand...I would think it would be the guy who I pad for the handgun but it seems SVT40 you list the dealer and his DL number.

Thanks guys

[SVT-40]

Ok thanks for the answer everyone. A lot was clarifying but you guys also answered some really helpful questions.

So buying a handgun through an 01 in state....Do I list the dealer so the Gun shop employee or the Gun shop? That was the thing I do not understand...I would think it would be the guy who I pad for the handgun but it seems SVT40 you list the dealer and his DL number.

Thanks guys

Not the person, but the shop.

You list the licensed 01 FFL whom you got it from in your book. Not the "guy" in the store, but the stores name and their FFL number....The 01 FFL lists the guy he got it from in his book.

That way the trail is in proper chronological order.

Like this.

At your request the original owner of the gun ships to 01 FFL > 01 FFL receives gun and lists gun in their shops book. 01FFL transfers gun to you. 01 FFL logs gun out of his book into your name and C&R FFL info> You 03 C&R holder acquire gun from 01FFL and list it in your book.

You are confusing paying the original owner of the gun, and the rules which you are required to follow being a licensed collector.

Having a C&R license is a Federal thing. It has nothing to do with California.

[ucladude101]

Not the person, but the shop.

You list the licensed 01 FFL whom you got it from in your book. Not the "guy" in the store, but the stores name and their FFL number....The 01 FFL lists the guy he got it from in his book.

That way the trail is in proper chronological order.

Like this.

At your request the original owner of the gun ships to 01 FFL > 01 FFL receives gun and lists gun in their shops book. 01FFL transfers gun to you. 01 FFL logs gun out of his book into your name and C&R FFL info> You 03 C&R holder acquire gun from 01FFL and list it in your book.

You are confusing paying the original owner of the gun, and the rules which you are required to follow being a licensed collector.

Having a C&R license is a Federal thing. It has nothing to do with California.

Again. Thanks for your help SVT40

So when I pick up my BHP I will request a copy of his FFL01 to log into my book!

[SVT-40]

Again. Thanks for your help SVT40

So when I pick up my BHP I will request a copy of his FFL01 to log into my book!

He won't give you a copy. FFL's don't like random copies of their FFL floating around.

All you really need is the shop name and FFL number, or the shop name and address.