Cheapest fff blackpowder?

[lankytwoswaywardangel]

By the lb. for reenacting. Looking for less than $50 including hazmat & shipping. Any ideas? Thanks.

[Paul_R]

I think you're out of luck to have it shipped, theres a 5 pound minimum pretty much everywhere. If you travel east on I-80 stop by Sierra gun supply in Auburn. They sell Goex and Swiss. Otherwise check with local muzzleloading clubs.

[Sousuke]

By the lb. for reenacting. Looking for less than $50 including hazmat & shipping. Any ideas? Thanks.

The cheapest online would be Graf's own brand (currently out of stock)

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/5405

[Paul_R]

4 pound minimum order at Graf's

[Quiet]

CA laws limits the amount of gun powder a non-exempt person can have to a maximum of 20 lbs of smokeless powder and a maximum of 1 lbs of black powder. [HSC 12102]

In order to legally have more than 1 lbs of black powder, you will need an explosives license (no limit) [HSC 12100] or pyrotechnic operator license (max. 5 lbs of black powder) [HSC 12101.5] from the CA Fire Marshal.

So, unless you are licensed by the CA Fire Marshal, you are (legally) limited to buying and possessing 1 lb of black powder at a given time.


Health & Safety Code 12102
This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20 pounds or less of smokeless powder, or one pound or less of black sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery, or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities having jurisdiction for fire prevention and suppression in the area of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.

[Bainter1212]

CA laws limits the amount of gun powder a non-exempt person can have to a maximum of 20 lbs of smokeless powder and a maximum of 1 lbs of black powder. [HSC 12102]

In order to legally have more than 1 lbs of black powder, you will need an explosives license (no limit) [HSC 12100] or pyrotechnic operator license (max. 5 lbs of black powder) [HSC 12101.5] from the CA Fire Marshal.

So, unless you are licensed by the CA Fire Marshal, you are (legally) limited to buying and possessing 1 lb of black powder at a given time.


Health & Safety Code 12102
This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20 pounds or less of smokeless powder, or one pound or less of black sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery, or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities having jurisdiction for fire prevention and suppression in the area of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.

I can't imagine there are many people in this state who use black powder and actually abide by the one pound limit. It just seems absurd.

Even the retailers seem to not care....case in point, Grafs will ship 4 pounds to any of us, no questions asked.....

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[AR22]

So what do you re- enactors with large Cannons do out there?

1 pound would not last me 0ne Hour in my Cannons, let alone a whole Day.

I cannot fathom that all the participants have special licenses? Or is there a exemption for antique Cannons and such at events?

I believe the Federal Law is up to 50 pounds of Black Powder. Not that I can afford that much anyway.

According to that regulation crap the poster put above. Black Powder is not even intended for use in anything larger than .75 caliber. Idiots

[Paul_R]

CA laws limits the amount of gun powder a non-exempt person can have to a maximum of 20 lbs of smokeless powder and a maximum of 1 lbs of black powder. [HSC 12102]

In order to legally have more than 1 lbs of black powder, you will need an explosives license (no limit) [HSC 12100] or pyrotechnic operator license (max. 5 lbs of black powder) [HSC 12101.5] from the CA Fire Marshal.

So, unless you are licensed by the CA Fire Marshal, you are (legally) limited to buying and possessing 1 lb of black powder at a given time.


Health & Safety Code 12102
This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20 pounds or less of smokeless powder, or one pound or less of black sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery, or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities having jurisdiction for fire prevention and suppression in the area of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.

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[BeFrank]

FF, FFF and FFFF

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So you can have a pound or two of FF for your rifles, a pound of FFFF for NAA companion and flintlock priming as well as some FFF for pistols all at the same time

[elSquid]

It appears to exclude DDs, ammo, and primers...where is the reference to powder?



-- Michael

[Paul_R]

It appears to exclude DDs, ammo, and primers...where is the reference to powder?



-- Michael

California does not have a specific definition of "ammunition". They always default to federal law:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-gun-control-act-definition-ammunition

[rmnc3r]

I've been out of the sport for a while - Fed Law was 50 lbs...
I have no clue what limits and restrictions the Commies and Reconquistadors in Sacto have decreed and imposed

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/179/1/BLACK-POWDER

or visit a Rondy

Holcomb Valley Rendezvous is coming up Labor Day (SoCal Big Bear Area), but that's a far drive for you. There may be something up closer your way

The nice folk at TotW may be able to refer you to a club in your area

[lankytwoswaywardangel]

Thanks all. Very enlightening. Guess I just pay... and pay.

[Tom-ADC]

If its for reenacting try here even have a special powder for it, maybe a group buy and include 4 other members.

https://powderinc.com

[MrOrange]

California does not have a specific definition of "ammunition". They always default to federal law:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-gun-control-act-definition-ammunition

http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/health-and-safety-code/hsc-sect-12000.html

I'm not trying to call you out, just curious and want to see what's what; do you have any reference to CA using the Fed definition of loaded ammunition to include powder?

If its for reenacting try here even have a special powder for it, maybe a group buy and include 4 other members.
https://powderinc.com

Bookmarked, thanks!