M1 Carbine Bullet Button?

[Spectre1995]

Anyone have pics of what a mag lock / bullet button for an M1 Carbine would look like?

There was a thread on it awhile ago but the photos disappeared.

Thanks in advance!

[blackrat]

in a paratrooper stock I assume? In normal guise you know a mag lock isn't required right?

[doggie]

M1 Carbine in a standard one piece stock requires no BB.

[Spectre1995]

This would be a pistol variant; specifically an Enforcer pistol. Someone I know has one (not selling) and I was wondering g what a mag lock for one would look like on a CA legal version

[Cokebottle]

New law requires that the action be partially disassembled to remove the magazine (BCG removed, upper/lower separated, etc...)
The "Bullet Button" is no longer satisfactory.
Yes, the regulations were written with the AR in mind.

[Spectre1995]

Im aware of that but my idea was to take a standard bullet button design for the m1 and make it permanent.

[Enfield47]

What cokebottle is saying that with the new laws, you can't use a bullet button on an M1 carbine because you can't partially disassemble the receiver to remove the magazine. The new laws are stupid and useless.

[Cokebottle]

What cokebottle is saying that with the new laws, you can't use a bullet button on an M1 carbine because you can't partially disassemble the receiver to remove the magazine. The new laws are stupid and useless.

Permanently fixed and top loaded... is that possible on the M1A? I'm not that familiar with the action.

[Spectre1995]

What cokebottle is saying that with the new laws, you can't use a bullet button on an M1 carbine because you can't partially disassemble the receiver to remove the magazine. The new laws are stupid and useless.

I couldn't agree more.

The "bullet button" is less of a technical term and more of a search phrase in my opinion because "mag lock" generally doesn't yield many results.

For rifles such as the M1A1, or pistols such as the Enforcer, rather than replace the stock (M1a1) or weld in a magazine (Pistols), a permanent fixed magazine via a "bullet button" style mag lock that doesn't require making damaging alterations to the firearm in any way would be beneficial for someone wanting to retain the value of the firearm, and restore it back to its original form if/when they decide to leave CA

Permanently fixed and top loaded... is that possible on the M1A? I'm not that familiar with the action.

If I recall correctly the M1A1 has the same bolt hold-open pin as other M1 models. Pull the charging handle back, push the button to hold the handle rearwards, and top load. Once loaded, pull charging handle and release.

On these pistols that's how they work, hence the idea to make a mag lock rather than weld the mag into the mag well, but it seems like thats the only option

[Cokebottle]

Secured with a pin that can only be removed with the bolt removed.

The withdrawn regs specified not only the upper being scissored open, but also removal of the BCG (again, likely thinking of AK-pattern)

Might be a way to do a less-permanent mod that way rather than welding.

[Spectre1995]

Secured with a pin that can only be removed with the bolt removed.

The withdrawn regs specified not only the upper being scissored open, but also removal of the BCG (again, likely thinking of AK-pattern)

Might be a way to do a less-permanent mod that way rather than welding.

A pin through the mag release, or...?

Would you happen to have a pic of what this looks like?

[Quiet]

There are two methods to make a "fixed magazine": [PC 30515(b)]
1. The magazine needs to be contained in the firearm in such a manner that the magazine can not be removed without diassembling the firearm's action.
2. The magazine is permanently attached to the firearm.

As applied to a M-1 Carbine...
1. The magazine needs to be locked in place, so that it can not be removed until the action is removed from the stock.
2. The magazine needs to be welded into the magazine well.

From previous CA DOJ BOF "rulings" from the 1990s-2000s and from the withdrawn proposed 2017 AW regulations, "permanently attached" means the magazine was welded/epoxied/riveted into the firearm's magazine well.

[dfletcher]

Im aware of that but my idea was to take a standard bullet button design for the m1 and make it permanent.

The M1 Carbine mag release is spring powered and works horizontally. I would approach the fix in similar fashion as pinning a folding stock. Remove the mag release unit, seat the mag then drop in a pin cut to proper length and re-insert the mag release with the spring to maintain tension. I'm sure there's more detail to it, am at work and don't have mine with me.

I would use a 30 round mag follower with the BHO built into the follower. Relying in the M1Carbine's BHO "button" probably leads to a dented thumb. And you'll want to be 100% sure the "fixed mag" is a good one that works. CMP has a good tutorial on how to know which are proper fit.

Trigger housings and parts aren't particularly expensive and are easy to remove. I suppose you could have a "fixed mag housing" set up and a conventional one set aside.

[otteray]

dfletcher,
Please provide details when you can, for the M1 Carbine. Sounds interesting.
This whole thing of neutering common firearms, including WWII antiques, is so crazy and frustrating, I don't know where to begin.

[Spectre1995]

This particular one is a Iver Johnson Enforcer that I have the possibility of acquiring from within the state. The mag was welded into the mag well. The owner is a friend of the family and we were discussing alternative ways in which it would be CA legal.

I am planning to acquire two of these from the same owner (30+ days apart) and possibly trade one for a M1 "Carbine" (military issue) to another friend of mine.