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  • NOTABIKER
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2012
    • 7635

    SKS Question

    What was the year of the first importation of Chinese SKSs . And what year did they stop importing them. After the ban how long did it take for stockpiles already imported to run out from Importers like Canture etc.What was the last year China made new SKSs for export. I have a very late chinese SKS that does not have a threaded bayonet bolt holding it on. The spike bayonet was missing due to the law change regarding selling SKSs with the bayonet installed. I made a custom rivett and installed the proper bayonet.
  • #2
    shooter1975
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2012
    • 1027

    This link might help.

    Dating the Chinese Type 56 carbine through extensive research contributed by many.


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    • #3
      NOTABIKER
      Calguns Addict
      • Mar 2012
      • 7635

      thanks for the link I have a 1991 SKS with minimal markings. Ser # only on top of bolt in the front and on the left side of the receiver. No chinese characters.
      It is a great shooter and i love it.Still need to know when they were first imported to the USA.

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      • #4
        I Swan
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 8770

        I think they started coming in around 1986-1987 or at least the AK's did I'm not sure if the SKS's took a little longer. I think it was in late 1994/1995 when Bill Clinton signed an EO which ended their importation.

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        • #5
          TMB 1
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2012
          • 7153

          Originally posted by I Swan
          I think they started coming in around 1986-1987 or at least the AK's did I'm not sure if the SKS's took a little longer. I think it was in late 1994/1995 when Bill Clinton signed an EO which ended their importation.
          I've read that on net before, but I keep thinking it was late 84 or 85 when I bought my SKS.
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          • #6
            echo1
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 3917

            I don't know the answer to your question. But TECHNICALLY, if it was imported with out a bayo, that's how it has to stay. When they first started to remove them, many importer sold them with the detached bayos in the box.

            I don't know who in the field would know, or would care, but that is the reg. Kinda like the current bullet button fiasco, if it has a BB then it must retain the BB. But I don't know if there are accurate records, importer and serial #s to those rifles that fell into that group. Remember it was a Federal reg, not specific to Kali. PAX
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            • #7
              I Swan
              Calguns Addict
              • Sep 2010
              • 8770

              Originally posted by TMB 1
              I've read that on net before, but I keep thinking it was late 84 or 85 when I bought my SKS.
              I think Chinese AK's came in as early as 1984-85 and for a time after this the ammo was still difficult to get.

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              • #8
                Enfield47
                Calguns Addict
                • Sep 2012
                • 6385

                I remember seeing them in the late 80s but I can't recall when exactly.

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                • #9
                  NOTABIKER
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 7635

                  I have been told that if it came without a bayonet than it has to stay that way. I miss no sleep over this detail with millions of SKSs out their with bayonets installed.But it is good to understand the details of what is legal.

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                  • #10
                    SVT-40
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 12902

                    Originally posted by echo1
                    I don't know the answer to your question. But TECHNICALLY, if it was imported with out a bayo, that's how it has to stay. When they first started to remove them, many importer sold them with the detached bayos in the box.

                    I don't know who in the field would know, or would care, but that is the reg. Kinda like the current bullet button fiasco, if it has a BB then it must retain the BB. But I don't know if there are accurate records, importer and serial #s to those rifles that fell into that group. Remember it was a Federal reg, not specific to Kali. PAX
                    The surplus ban ended in 1986, so the imports started after that....

                    As far as the bayonet legality issue is concerned, the restrictions were solely on importation of rifles with bayonets attached...

                    The ban was put into place after years of importing rifles WITH bayonets, so even at the time it was impossible to tell which was which if you put a bayonet on your rifle, which was imported without one...

                    In addition a few importers simply removed the bayonets, and wired them to the rifles so they were not legally "attached" to them.

                    Anyway ALL of the import bans related to the Federal "assault weapons" bans have lapsed, so it is no longer a violation of any law to have a bayonet on ANY SKS type rifle....
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                    • #11
                      Dan_Eastvale
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 10508

                      Yeah, I remember it WAS a federal requirement. I have two chinese spikers and two bladed bought before the import bans. I had another spiker that I put on consignment at Turners riverside on Indiana ave when I was in California. They wouldn't take it until I removed the spike. They (wrongly) said that a chinese sks with a spike is an assault weapon in california. So I removed it and kept the spike and threaded rivet attachment and spring.

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                      • #12
                        TMB 1
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 7153

                        Originally posted by I Swan
                        I think Chinese AK's came in as early as 1984-85 and for a time after this the ammo was still difficult to get.
                        Must have been 85. http://kfsindustries.com/about/company-history/

                        I don't remember for sure about ammo I bought a bunch when I bought the SKS. I really liked the Chinese ammo.
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                        • #13
                          NOTABIKER
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 7635

                          Originally posted by TMB 1
                          Must have been 85. http://kfsindustries.com/about/company-history/

                          I don't remember for sure about ammo I bought a bunch when I bought the SKS. I really liked the Chinese ammo.
                          I still have some of that norinco ammo. Been saving it because my SKS is happy shooting Tula or any other cheap 7.62 39.

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                          • #14
                            Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30242

                            Originally posted by SVT-40
                            The surplus ban ended in 1986, so the imports started after that....

                            As far as the bayonet legality issue is concerned, the restrictions were solely on importation of rifles with bayonets attached...

                            The ban was put into place after years of importing rifles WITH bayonets, so even at the time it was impossible to tell which was which if you put a bayonet on your rifle, which was imported without one...

                            In addition a few importers simply removed the bayonets, and wired them to the rifles so they were not legally "attached" to them.

                            Anyway ALL of the import bans related to the Federal "assault weapons" bans have lapsed, so it is no longer a violation of any law to have a bayonet on ANY SKS type rifle....
                            1989 is when the Feds amended what was considered "sporting purpose" for imported semi-auto centerfire rifles.

                            {disregard bad info on bayonet lugs/bayonets}
                            Bayonet lugs and bayonets were deemed to not have a "sporting purpose", so starting in 1989, all imported semi-auto centerfire rifles could not be imported with bayonet lugs/bayonets attached.
                            ^This is still in effect.

                            Attaching a bayonet lug/bayonet to an imported semi-auto centerfire rifle triggers Fed 922r parts compliance requirements.
                            ^This is still in effect.


                            Military C&R rifles in their original configuration are exempt from the "sporting purpose" requirements for imported semi-auto centerfire rifles.


                            18 USC 92218 USC 925
                            Last edited by Quiet; 02-16-2017, 11:00 PM.
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                            • #15
                              SVT-40
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 12902

                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              1989 is when the Feds amended what was considered "sporting purpose" for imported semi-auto centerfire rifles.

                              Bayonet lugs and bayonets were deemed to not have a "sporting purpose", so starting in 1989, all imported semi-auto centerfire rifles could not be imported with bayonet lugs/bayonets attached.
                              ^This is still in effect.
                              Can you quote the specific section of the US code which you are referring to where "bayonet lugs/bayonets attached" are listed?



                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              Attaching a bayonet lug/bayonet to an imported semi-auto centerfire rifle triggers Fed 922r parts compliance requirements.
                              ^This is still in effect.
                              922 R specifically prohibits "assembly from imported parts any rifle.."

                              Adding a bayonet lug to a already assembled rifle does not constitute "assembly"...

                              Additionally there is no Possession prohibition. So merely possessing a Chinese SKS with a bayonet attached no matter when it was imported is not a crime...


                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              Military C&R rifles in their original configuration are exempt from the "sporting purpose" requirements for imported semi-auto centerfire rifles.
                              Before 1989 there were literally tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Chinese SKS rifles imported into the US with bayonets attached to the imported rifles...They are all legal to possess and or sell..

                              There is no way to tell one of these rifles from a later import...

                              Adding to that in the past 5 years BATFE has allowed the importation and sale of Chinese SKS rifles which have been classified as Military C&R rifles. All of which have their bayonets attached...

                              What this did was basically make all Chinese SKS rifles C&R's...


                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              18 USC 922
                              (r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts
                              Section 18USC 925 as listed below exempts " surplus military firearms" Chinese SKS rifles are Surplus military firearms....and are exempt.

                              It also only applies to "importation" and "assembly" not possession.

                              Since about 2010 the importation of Chinese SKS rifles with bayonets attached as C&R's has been allowed by the BATFE...


                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              18 USC 925excluding surplus military firearms
                              , except in any case where the Attorney General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled; or
                              Poke'm with a stick!


                              Originally posted by fiddletown
                              What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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