Mosins differences...?

[Seesm]

What is the difference between all the Mosins and how many are there?

M 91/30 sniper rifle?
M 44 Carbine?
M 1903
M 1938 (what I have)

Just curious... Thanks

[Quiet]

AFAIK...

Russian/Soviet Mosin-Nagant
Model 1891 Infantry (51" OAL, 9.7 lbs) Standard issue rifle from 1891-1930.
Model 1891 Dragoon (48.5" OAL, 8.8 lbs) Mounted infantry issue rifle from 1891-1930.
Model 1891 Cossack (48.5" OAL, 8.8 lbs) Calvary issue rifle from 1891-1907. No bayonet.
Model 1907 Carbine (39.6" OAL, 7.6 lbs) Calvary, engineer, artillery issue rifle 1907-1917.
Model 91/30 (48.5" OAL, 8.8 lbs) Standard issue rifle from 1930-1945.
Model 91/30 Sniper (48.5" OAL, 8.8 lbs) Bent bolt, scoped for snipers.
Model 38 (39.9" OAL, 7.5 lbs) Carbine version of 91/30, issued from 1938-1944.
Model 44 (39.9" OAL, 9.0 lbs) Carbine version of 91/30 with fixed bayonet, issued from 1943-1948.
Model 91/59 (39.9" OAL, 7.5 lbs) Last version made by the Soviets.

[SDgarrick]

Wow I was gonna offer some help, but it looks covered. If you're speaking of russian MN's besides a few changes, the overall difference is length. M38's and m44's were meant to be carbines of the 91/30 which was itself a slightly shortened "updated" M91...One of it's last incarnations was the 91/59, which was a cutdown 91/30. This info is leaving alot out and ignores many of the nuances of the Mosin Nagant history. It is, to me, one of the more interesting and prolific rifles of yesterday and definitely worth spending some time on the net researching.

Cheers.

[Seesm]

You guys are great thanks for the info on this...


The one a buddy just gave me is the m 1938 in a sporter stock and it shoots great. Very nice.

I am waiting for the buddy who gave me the rifle to get me the rear scope as he did not have it mounted on it... It was pretty accurate with just the front site at 100 yards.

With the rear site on how far do you think I can shoot out to with the M 1938? obviously not as far as the 91/30

Thanks

[jmlivingston]

And what's posted here is only the Russian stuff. The M44 was made in several other countries including at least Poland, China, and Bulgaria. There's also no mention of the Finnish variants, which are typically known to be more accurate.

[Ron-Solo]

Ok, after reading this, I just added a new rifle to my wish list.

[ateballsidepocket]

And what's posted here is only the Russian stuff. The M44 was made in several other countries including at least Poland, China, and Bulgaria. There's also no mention of the Finnish variants, which are typically known to be more accurate.

Although I have a Polish M44, I heard that the Polish models were very well built, and also very accurate.

My virgin 1953 Polish M44 shot solid dead-on groups at the range with the factory-original site settings.

Of course it shot accurately with the bayonette extended.

With the bayonette retracted, it shot high and to the left.

[Seesm]

Does the bayo make it have less barrell whip? Hey does anyone know where my M1938 came from? Is it Russian? Btw you all are great I totally apreciate all the info...

[jcaoloveshine]

Seesm,

Don't buy a Mosin until you've looked at the Finnish variants. IMO these epitomize the Mosin design and function.

Basically the Finns took the Mosin action and gave it a custom gunsmithing job, adding on a heavy barrel and very smooth two-stage trigger. I think if an M39 wouldn't shoot 1.5MOA with the ammo at the time it wouldn't go out of the factory.

I had an M39 that I later sold to fund other projects but it was a nice rifle. The fit, balance, and handling are superb and the beefy stock makes it feel like a solid rifle.

Of course, good M39s cost 250+ but you are getting the best Mosin out there.

[paul0660]

Don't buy a Mosin until you've looked at the Finnish variants. IMO these epitomize the Mosin design and function.

+1 Finns took old receivers (in most cases I have seen pre 1900), and did the rifle right.

[tow4dough]

the chinese type 53 is my favorite one (i have three russians)
-it's an m-44 clone.

[renardsubtil]

+1 on the M39...it may cost a bit more but it's worth the price imho.

[doughboy334]

Yes I second the M39

[Spiggy]

And what's posted here is only the Russian stuff. The M44 was made in several other countries including at least Poland, China, and Bulgaria. There's also no mention of the Finnish variants, which are typically known to be more accurate.

France and America made mosins as well

[Alex$]

Does the bayo make it have less barrell whip? Hey does anyone know where my M1938 came from? Is it Russian? Btw you all are great I totally apreciate all the info...

Your "M1938" is an m91/30 built in 1938, sounds like it has been sporterized.

To tell where it came from you have to look on the receiver for one of the two following stampings: Star with arrow in it, it came from Tula arsenal; wreath with sickle and hammer, it came from the Izhevsk arsenal.

All your answers can be had at http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinIDII.htm

Iron sights shooting should be fine out to about 300 - 400 yards, 500 for a man size target, IMHO no scope required. I can easily shoot water bottles at 200 with my m9130, using light ball milsurp.

Russians always had the bayonet attached or extended (depending on model) so they were sighted in that configuration. As already mentioned, the difference between shooting with it on versus off can be noticeable.


P.S. edit Does the receiver have 1938 stamped on it? That is what I assumed, if that is not the case, disregard my conclusion it was a m91/30.