Does a C&R holder have to go

[GM4spd]

Thru a 10 day wait doing a PPT transfer at a regular FFL on a C&R handgun?
The C&R holder is the buyer.

[TRICKSTER]

According to the law, the answer is no, but since the DOJ failed to list that exemption for the FFL to check off, the real world answer is yes.

[SkyHawk]

No, not if the C&R holder also has a COE.

But there is no way to deliver it immediately using the DROS software when doing a PPT. I have heard that if the FFL calls DOJ, they will provide some type of override so it can be released.

This is a hassle of course, and probably depends on DOJ business hours and a willing FFL. Another option is for the FFL to take the gun onto his books, then process the sale from inventory. In that case the DROS system will allow immediate delivery to a C&R + COE holder. It could incur extra FFL fees though.

[ColdDeadHands1]

I have taken immediate possession of C&R handguns following a PPT at my local FFL. i have both an FFL-03 + COE.

[Quiet]

Thru a 10 day wait doing a PPT transfer at a regular FFL on a C&R handgun?
The C&R holder is the buyer.

When acquiring a C&R firearm from or through a CA FFL dealer...

If the buyer only has a valid C&R FFL, then the 10 day wait applies.

If the buyer has both a valid C&R FFL and valid COE, then the 10 day wait does not apply. [PC 27670]



Penal Code 27670
(a) The waiting period described in Section 27540 does not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm if all of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(2) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made by a dealer.
(3) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) The licensed collector has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(b) On the date that the sale, delivery, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in Section 28160 or 28165.

[OniKoroshi]

When acquiring a C&R firearm from or through a CA FFL dealer...

If the buyer only has a valid C&R FFL, then the 10 day wait applies.

If the buyer has both a valid C&R FFL and valid COE, then the 10 day wait does not apply. [PC 27670]



Penal Code 27670
(a) The waiting period described in Section 27540 does not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm if all of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(2) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made by a dealer.
(3) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) The licensed collector has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(b) On the date that the sale, delivery, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in Section 28160 or 28165.

Regs support it but the DES system doesn't. DES has no option for C&R PPT exemption as skyhawk has mentioned. Second option mentioned has been the option most FFL's do.

[condor]

I'm a C&R FFL/COE and do all my out of state C&R buys thru one local FFL1 dealer. I let them sit for the 10 days. It's not that big of a deal. There are certain things that make a C&R worth having, but the 10 day wait isn't one of them.

[chopperjock22]

...I let them sit for the 10 days. It's not that big of a deal...

To each their own I guess. I haven't bought a C&R handgun since getting licensed, but when I do I'm going to be making sure whatever 01FFL I use for the transfer will be honoring the wait period exemption. I want all the value out of the fees I pay for the 03FFL and the COE and I will refuse to do business with any dealer that won't recognize my exemption.

[echo1]

To each their own I guess. I haven't bought a C&R handgun since getting licensed, but when I do I'm going to be making sure whatever 01FFL I use for the transfer will be honoring the wait period exemption. I want all the value out of the fees I pay for the 03FFL and the COE and I will refuse to do business with any dealer that won't recognize my exemption.

Good luck on that. PAX

[Dooder]

I had an interesting experience once where a shop rarely sells to 03/coe holders and didn't know exactly what to do. But after they figured it out the said to make it easier next time anywhere mention x13 exemption. Haven't tried it since but I think the theory is that mentioning you're x13 will remind the ffl to check the appropriate box.

[rdfact]

I have had 2 different FFLs work around the lack of functionality in the DROS system by taking the C&R handgun into their inventory first then releasing to me.
As for the 10 day wait, it can be a big deal if you have to travel an hour or more to meet the seller. Being able to take possession immediately saves you a second trip.

[SkyHawk]

As for the 10 day wait, it can be a big deal if you have to travel an hour or more to meet the seller. Being able to take possession immediately saves you a second trip.

This. I plan to travel often for C&R, and far. Having to go back for a pickup after ten days is a BFD, to be avoided at every opportunity. In many cases it will be an absolute requirement that it is done cash and carry.

[condor]

As for the 10 day wait, it can be a big deal if you have to travel an hour or more to meet the seller. Being able to take possession immediately saves you a second trip.

That's why I don't waste my time at even traveling an hour to buy a gun unless it's a FTF cash'n'carry transaction from a private party, and it something I really really want, and then it's still a PITA... I learned my lesson buying a high grade collectible from an auction house 170 miles away. The second trip up and back got old quick... :-) Never again... As far as arguing with the FFL1 over what's exempt and what's not, I just do the DROS and be done with it. For those that want to be legalistic about it, so be it...