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  • usmcchet9296
    CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
    • Feb 2008
    • 1834

    What 38 do I have

    I have found thru researching the Smith and Wesson Victory model that it came in both 38 special and 38 S&W
    how can I tell what mine is
    its SN is 507876
    it was used by the Austrian police
    it was manufactured between 42 and 43
    here are some pictures












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  • #2
    gunboat
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 3288

    Simpilist way I know is to try to chamber a 38S&W - If if fits it is 38S&W - If the 38S&W is too large to chamber it is a 38spl -- Usually the barrel is marked - 38 S&W or 38 spl - European use would favor it being 38 S&W as that cartridge is generally the same as the Brit 380 --

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    • #3
      Tarn_Helm
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 2126

      +1

      Originally posted by usmcchet9296
      I have found thru researching the Smith and Wesson Victory model that it came in both 38 special and 38 S&W
      how can I tell what mine is
      its SN is 507876
      it was used by the Austrian police
      it was manufactured between 42 and 43
      here are some pictures . . .
      . . .
      The picture above says, in German, "Austrian Police."

      I hope that helps.


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      • #4
        ojisan
        Agent 86
        CGN Contributor
        • Apr 2008
        • 11757

        Looks like a early Lend-Lease era gun.
        Forerunner of the Victory models.
        Lots were chambered in the 38/200 British round.
        Some were chambered in .38 special for US use.
        .38/200 is slightly fatter and a bit shorter than .38 special.
        Barrel bore ID of .38/200 will be .360" dia. .38 special is .357-8"
        .38 Special Smiths were issued to German and Austrian police by the US after WW2.
        Some 38/200 were rechambered to .38 special, there will be two "steps" (diameters) visible in the chambers if so.
        Do not use elephant loads or +P in any of these guns, early steels were much softer than current ones.

        Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
        I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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        • #5
          Spiggy
          Calguns Addict
          • Mar 2006
          • 8688

          does it have a V stamp? No V mark and it's either pre-war or post-war

          Does it have US PROPERTY marks? US PROPERTY marks generally mean lend-lease

          Note the barrel length, most .38S&W variations came in 5in

          Also, did you know you can write a letter to S&W and request a history on your revolver? it's well worth the $25 if it's from family

          Here's mine, i haven't seen it in a while because it floated under my desk
          Originally posted by AJAX22
          Anti gun BS...

          Finger print recognition is one more thing that keeps your killamajig from performing its killimafunction

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          • #6
            ojisan
            Agent 86
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2008
            • 11757

            Here's a Lend Lease 380/200 that was one of many returned to the US after WW2 ended. Lots of these were sold to surplus houses and distributors, who often recut the chambers to accept the .38 Special, as this one has. The lanyard loop was removed and the hole plugged. This particular one had the barrel cut down and sight remounted, along with a quick blue job. Fake stag grips were all the rage and cheap back then. I mention this due to the serial # on the OPs gun not having any prefix, suffix or V, and has the lanyard loop like a Victory. This caused some problems for me figuring out what the gun was as it is not on the usual S&W charts. Note also the pinned barrel but no recessed chambers.

            Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
            I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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            • #7
              MikeH1
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 1045

              Originally posted by Spiggy
              does it have a V stamp? No V mark and it's either pre-war or post-war

              Does it have US PROPERTY marks? US PROPERTY marks generally mean lend-lease

              Note the barrel length, most .38S&W variations came in 5in

              Also, did you know you can write a letter to S&W and request a history on your revolver? it's well worth the $25 if it's from family

              Here's mine, i haven't seen it in a while because it floated under my desk
              S&W letters are now $50, still a good deal, especially for that gun

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              • #8
                Spiggy
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2006
                • 8688

                yikes really?

                glad I got the paper with my gun!
                Originally posted by AJAX22
                Anti gun BS...

                Finger print recognition is one more thing that keeps your killamajig from performing its killimafunction

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                • #9
                  EBR Works
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 10489

                  I have this pistol that my father acquired in the early 60's. The barrel has been chopped by a prior owner and it's still chambered in 38 S&W. The only weapon that I own that I have never fired.

                  Last edited by EBR Works; 02-01-2009, 9:44 PM.


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                  • #10
                    usmcchet9296
                    CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 1834

                    Its a 38 S&W
                    I checked it out when I DROS'd it
                    I would have prefered a .38 special but this will do
                    maybe later on Ill try to get my hands on a Navy model in .38 special
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                    • #11
                      ojisan
                      Agent 86
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 11757

                      Originally posted by usmcchet9296
                      Its a 38 S&W
                      I checked it out when I DROS'd it
                      I would have prefered a .38 special but this will do
                      maybe later on Ill try to get my hands on a Navy model in .38 special
                      OK, now that's interesting. .38 Special as a "Navy" version? My Dad was in Naval Aviation, WW2 & Korea. He carried this gun in a shoulder rig with spare cartridge loops. Most of the rounds he carried then were government issued .38 Special tracers to use for a rescue signal if downed in the ocean. So are the .38 Special chambered guns called Navys because they could shoot the standard US issued tracer round? I know he purchased the gun near a Navy base somewhere in Florida.

                      Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                      I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                      • #12
                        Saigon1965
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 17276

                        Oji and Impacto - You guys might be related -

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                        • #13
                          ojisan
                          Agent 86
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 11757

                          Originally posted by saigon1965
                          Oji and Impacto - You guys might be related -
                          That would be creepy.



                          Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                          I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                          • #14
                            EBR Works
                            Vendor/Retailer
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 10489

                            We should breed our S&Ws, maybe we'll get a litter of stainless pistols.


                            Check out our e-commerce site here:

                            www.ebrworks.com

                            Serving you from Prescott, AZ

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                            • #15
                              ojisan
                              Agent 86
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 11757

                              Originally posted by impactco
                              We should breed our S&Ws, maybe we'll get a litter of stainless pistols.
                              NOBODY knows what happens inside gun safes when the lights are off and the door is locked closed.

                              Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                              I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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