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[deerdeerdeer]

Okay, I have not been on CG for awhile =(. Super rusty, don't know much about relics. I'm not that much of a newbie, but I know there is a lot of new laws. The trade offer for me is this "relic". He says it dates by from 1800 and it's a .45 black powder pistol. I know about the antique 1899 rule, but is this even prior from that date, does it matter? Does anyone know the model of this thing and its estimated value? What's the legality of this, do I need to go to an FFL or not. I followed the flow chart here and based on my knowledge it is good to go unless we got some new commie rules I don't know about.Sorry for the dumb questions, but I know you guys got the answers!

The trade value of my item is around $70, and based on the picture what is consider the condition on this based on exterior! I need an appraisal, and legal information. Thanks guys, I hope someone can help!

[Cokebottle]

Front-stuffers do not need to go through an FFL regardless of when they were made.

It's hard to tell from the pictures... that could be a genuine antique, but given the condition of the barrel, I would guess that is is something more modern. Perhaps a kit-gun.

No way to put a value on it. New kit guns go for $200+, but that could be nothing more than a novelty never intended to be fired.

[gaberaynes]

Brass frame no Bueno

[SkyHawk]

I have seen guns made from kits that look exactly like that from the late 1990s. My FFL has one just like it on his counter that everyone plays with. I wouldn't bet that is 1800s.

[deerdeerdeer]

I have seen kits like that from the late 90s

A gentleman wants to trade it to me for some Bluetooth speakers I have worth $50 (I don't use them no more, upgraded). I collect random stuff, it seems worth it to me, but I'm worried about it just taking up/hoarding up space in the safe if it's broken/useless.

[musketjon]

It is the ACE. It is from the late 1970's-mid-late 90's. They were cheap mail order kits. It may be modeled from the late 1800's but that one is a new reproduction. The lack of wear on the grips is a dead give away. They sold for around $50, give or take.
Jon

[deerdeerdeer]

It is the ACE. It is from the late 1970's-mid-late 80's. They were cheap mail order kits. It may be modeled from the late 1800's but that one is a new reproduction. The lack of wear on the grips is a dead give away.
Jon

Like a boss! Thanks Jon, saved me a lot of time, now for some research, your opinion on the trade?

$50 Bluetooth speakers (pretty much useless to me) vs. a 1970's cheap mail order kit that hogs up safe space... Opinions!

[john myers]

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looks like a beat up replica boot pistol very little value with all the rust
no ffl required for black powder

[SkyHawk]

A gentleman wants to trade it to me for some Bluetooth speakers I have worth $50 (I don't use them no more, upgraded). I collect random stuff, it seems worth it to me, but I'm worried about it just taking up/hoarding up space in the safe if it's broken/useless.

I'm not saying it isn't worth $50, I'm just saying it isn't a relic from the 1800s. Put that legend to rest...

The one I have handled has an amazing trigger, on par with a $3000 Wilson Combat 1911. The only problem is there aren't any sights to speak of, so the trigger is superfluous

[Cokebottle]

Ya...
Those Bluetooth speakers, like anything electronic, are going to be worth less and less every month.
That pistol always has been and always will be worth "meh" but it's not going to devalue.

[deerdeerdeer]

I'm not saying it isn't worth $50, I'm just saying it isn't a relic from the 1800s. Put that legend to rest...

The one I have handled has an amazing trigger, on par with a $3000 Wilson Combat 1911.

I concur, thanks again Sky, very useful information . Thanks again everyone for the fast responses, even if I don't do the trade I know deep down in my heart that my fellow neighbors here at CG have me covered. Thumbs up everybody!

[AR22]

Ya...
Those Bluetooth speakers, like anything electronic, are going to be worth less and less every month.
That pistol always has been and always will be worth "meh" but it's not going to devalue.

Exactly, repro Pistol or not,, the speakers will be a worthless relic in a a year

I would do the trade in a Heartbeat.

Had a fool about 5 years ago trade a original Sharps Rifle in 45-70 to my Son for a Playstation game of some kind. Sharps was reblued and the barrel had been shortened. That took away all serious collector value. Still was a good looking rifle yet though. But that guy had to be clueless.

[Cokebottle]

Had a fool about 5 years ago trade a original Sharps Rifle in 45-70 to my Son for a Playstation game of some kind. Sharps was reblued and the barrel had been shortened. That took away all serious collector value. Still was a good looking rifle yet though. But that guy had to be clueless.

I was on the "wrong" end of a similar deal, but it worked out for both of us.
I had an old Chevy LUV with a blown head gasket eating money at an RV storage lot.
Decided that I would never fix it or use it and wanted to dump it.
Friend had some computer hardware that he had over-purchased, and needed a pickup for his pool cleaning business as he was picking up a new route.

Traded him straight across for, what at the time was about $1000 worth of hardware and got out from under the $40/month storage payment.

[sealocan]

Bluetooth speakers = less than hundred dollars and going down every month.


A reproduction of a 1800s cap & ball black powder single shot pistol that gets you into the fun zone of black powder shooting and could actually do some damage to your pumpkin targets = priceless.


but keep in mind the caps, the lead balls and a small jug of black powder are going to cost you a little bit of money.
But when you think about how you don't have to go to an FFL and pay California their taxes and fees (put on you're inalienable rights) it's definitely worth it in my humble opinion.

[emcon5]

... a small jug of black powder are going to cost you a little bit of money.

Nah, start saving your piss and make your own....