C&R handgun status changed???

[Mike Armstrong]

Hope this is the appropriate forum for this question!

I'm wondering if the status of C&R cartridge handguns has changed. I'm used to ordering C&R handguns from out-of-state dealers and having them sent to CA FFL dealers, having them DROSed, paying the dealer's receiving fee, state sales tax, and the DROS fee, waiting ten days, and then they're mine.

Has this changed? I was looking over the GunsAmerica listings of a local dealer (Brookhurst Pawn) and saw several modern--but over 50 years old-- revolvers that interested me. However, they were marked "Not for California sale unless a C&R licensee comes in to the store".

Does this mean that the status of C&R handguns has changed and ONLY those with a C&R license can purchase and receive them now? Or are these guys "making it up as they go along?"

Mike Armstrong

[j-shot]

Seller probably doesn't want to deal with the headache called california.

You can still get your C&R handgun transferred at your FFL

[Capybara]

It's still easy to buy C&R handguns from out of state and have them shipped here. Not necessarily on Gunbroker but there are plenty of C&R oriented dealers who will ship here. I've done plenty of them.

[Tovarish]

I bet the reason is they got guns returned to them by incompetent FFLs who couldn't figure out how old the guns were. Now they don't want to ship anything modern but 50+ years. Just a guess though.

[rromeo]

They just don't want to deal with the CFLC. It's not a big deal, but some FFLs don't want to do it.

[Tovarish]

They just don't want to deal with the CFLC. It's not a big deal, but some FFLs don't want to do it.

No. This is not an out-of-state seller.

[SkyHawk]

No. This is not an out-of-state seller.

Even CA FFLs have to use CFLC to ship to other CA FFLs. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview

"California FFL holders (other than Type 03 or 06) must enroll in the California Firearms Licensee Check (CFLC) Program to ship firearms to another California FFL"

I bet the reason is they got guns returned to them by incompetent FFLs who couldn't figure out how old the guns were. Now they don't want to ship anything modern but 50+ years. Just a guess though.

That is not a bad guess. Sometimes figuring out how old a gun is, is easier said than done.

[rromeo]

I read fast and obviously missed some things. You are trying to walk into the store and buy it, but they won't sell unless you have a C&R license? The guy is an idiot

[ef9boy88]

Sounds like he is trying to have it shipped, but the seller is saying will not ship to California but that a Californian with FFL 03 is welcome to come into the store with said FFL 03 and purchase weapon. Seller probably doesn't want to deal with shipping it out only to have it sent back due to receiving FFL having issues.

[Eljay]

I'm wondering if the status of C&R cartridge handguns has changed. I'm used to ordering C&R handguns from out-of-state dealers and having them sent to CA FFL dealers, having them DROSed, paying the dealer's receiving fee, state sales tax, and the DROS fee, waiting ten days, and then they're mine.

FYI If you also have a COE in addition to a C&R you don't need to do the 10 day wait. They DROS them and then you head out the door with them. Not all FFLs seem to know what buttons to push to make the DROS system allow it but the good ones do.

But yes, if you don't have any licenses it should work as you described and the pawn shop guys description makes no sense.

[Mike Armstrong]

I haven't gone down there and actually tried to buy a revolver from them (I live about 15 miles away). I was just going by their GA statement that anyone coming into the store would need a C&R license.

As Eljay says, that makes no sense unless the rules have changed.

I've dealt with all the stuff you guys mention above: out-of-state dealers that just can't be bothered to deal with the little bit of red tape it takes to sell to me thru a CA FFL dealer (and thus do exactly what our antis want them to do).

I've learned to ask out-of-state dealers whether they will ship to CA before I even bother to read their sites, or visit their stores if I'm traveling. Why waste time on jerks that don't want your business even when you offer it to them?

I get dealers fretting over whether a firearms REALLY is C&R or an Antique. I don't get it when they get rock-solid proof from you (usually from a respected reference or from factory records) and still dither around about it. Insulting, at best.

All that said, most dealers really do try to serve the shooting community that they depend on for their livelihood.

[rromeo]

We would have heard about tere hanges. Maybe I'll send him a message on Gunsamerica.