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  • Discogodfather
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2010
    • 5516

    1909 Peruvian Mauser - Matching (*almost)

    Got this one recently as an all matching example 6290, turned out to be 1 number from matching - the cocking piece is a replacement numbered 96. Never been more tempted to flub something but my integrity kicked in. What's strange is that the firing pin even matches 90, it's just the cocking piece!

    These are one of the finest south american contract guns and are nearly impossible to find in original good condition with matching numbers. Dennis @ Empire told me that they where imported by Interarms and there was some brilliant way they displaced the bolts from the rifles in order to not get some kind of import tax, but they where all mismatched afterwards.

    This one seems to have a strange proof mark I have only seen on a few other rifles in Europe, you see it after the serial number on the barrel shank and the receiver ring, and again on the bolt body by the serial. It's a little flaming L or C type character- does anyone know what this is? I have only seen it on two other rifles and they where both from Europe. There is also an E and R marked on the buttplate. The importer looks like "orion" or something??

    The action is butter smooth, unlike the other Peruvian I have which is mismatched.

    I paid a pretty penny because it was the first matching example I had ever come across, I alerted the seller on the cocking piece mismatch and it was an honest mistake, he refunded me 20% of the price back. Still, a valuable rifle for sure.










    Originally posted by doggie
    Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
    Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
    Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
    "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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    Discogodfather
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2010
    • 5516










    Originally posted by doggie
    Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
    Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
    Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
    "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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    • #3
      Discogodfather
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2010
      • 5516





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      Originally posted by doggie
      Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
      Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
      Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
      "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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        Discogodfather
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2010
        • 5516










        Originally posted by doggie
        Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
        Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
        Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
        "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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        • #5
          Discogodfather
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2010
          • 5516










          Originally posted by doggie
          Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
          Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
          Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
          "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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          • #6
            Enfield47
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2012
            • 6385

            Absolutely stunning. With just the cocking piece being mismatched, it almost seems like a soldier or armorer might have just grabbed the wrong piece by mistake when disassembling and cleaning it. It's still an amazing find nonetheless.

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            • #7
              Mustang
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2007
              • 5042

              Very nice, DGF!

              I wonder if it was possible that the cocking piece was mis numbered at the factory.
              ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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              • #8
                highpower
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2012
                • 5294

                Those proof marks look similar to the proof marks on my Belgian Hi Power. Possibly a Peruvian inspector at the factory?

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                • #9
                  Discogodfather
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 5516

                  Originally posted by highpower
                  Those proof marks look similar to the proof marks on my Belgian Hi Power. Possibly a Peruvian inspector at the factory?

                  Your on to something, it is in fact a Belgian proof mark. It was used for "Foreign Weapons". Not sure where or when this came into play, but I have a theory this rifle is from a European source. Maybe it went back into Europe at some point, then sold there. The importer is "Orion", and I have started to look into that. Lots of guns with the "Orion" on it.

                  Here is an example of the proof mark:



                  Here it is on a Peruvian for sale in Germany:



                  Here is an example of the proof on a S+W revolver from the 90's:

                  Originally posted by doggie
                  Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                  Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                  Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                  "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                  • #10
                    I Swan
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 8770

                    Isn't that the Peruvian crest where Mauser put the wrong type of tree on the coat of arms?

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                    • #11
                      Discogodfather
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 5516

                      Originally posted by I Swan
                      Isn't that the Peruvian crest where Mauser put the wrong type of tree on the coat of arms?
                      Never heard that one before, but it looks like a palm tree. Been to Argentina but never Peru, do they have palm trees?
                      Originally posted by doggie
                      Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                      Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                      Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                      "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                      • #12
                        Enfield47
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 6385

                        I was wondering if was a Belgian proof mark. There was something about the cursive L that looked somewhat familiar. I found a link of various proof marks but yours wasn't listed so I figured I was wrong.

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                        • #13
                          I Swan
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 8770

                          I think it is suppose to be the tree that quinine comes from but Mauser put a palm tree.

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                          • #14
                            SVT-40
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 12894

                            Originally posted by Discogodfather
                            Your on to something, it is in fact a Belgian proof mark. It was used for "Foreign Weapons". Not sure where or when this came into play, but I have a theory this rifle is from a European source. Maybe it went back into Europe at some point, then sold there. The importer is "Orion", and I have started to look into that. Lots of guns with the "Orion" on it.

                            Here is an example of the proof mark:



                            Here it is on a Peruvian for sale in Germany:



                            Here is an example of the proof on a S+W revolver from the 90's:

                            The Belgian "L" within the flaming bomb proof, is the mark which was placed on the barrel and "most important" parts of all firearms not made in Belgium, and which do not carry other Belgian proof marks recognized by the Belgian proof house.

                            It would be applied after the firearm was fired, and passed proof...




                            So as in most European countries that rifle at some point made it's way from Peru to Belgium, and was reproofed as proscribed by law.

                            Many foreign weapons were imported into and sold all over Europe in the 1950's and 1960's as was the case here in the US...

                            The main difference was in Europe these firearms had to be "proofed" before they could be sold...I have seen quite a good number of firearms with proofs from Belgium, Germany and France in addition to their original proofs here in the US...

                            At some point it made it's way here...before 1986, as it has no US importer markings...

                            Cool rifle!!!


                            The "Orion" import marking is the mark of the the "Hege" company in Europe.

                            See the links below for more info.

                            I was looking at a couple of new rifles in my father's collection when I noticed an odd stamp on the left hand side of the reciever of his matching Gew-88/05, just above the woodline. In a small, plain font was the word "Orion". Does anyone have any ideas on what this stamp could signify? I...


                            I recently picked up this Gew88, well that is to say I'm waiting for a permit to come through so I cannot get it home yet, therefore the pictures are from a dimly lit shop, - sorry. Now there are some odd stamps on this one. I'm unsure whether it will be safe with JS ammunition or whether it...


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                            • #15
                              oc16
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 1055

                              for its age it is in good condition lets hope it survives another 100 years
                              retreat! we must go comrade we will fight again another day.

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