Antique advice needed

[Tmckinney]

Out of state dealer agreed to ship me an 1891 argentine directly because it was made before 1898 (marked loewe berlin). For some reason he still called cflc to get a shipmwnt number. They told him, incorrectly, that it was not an antique because the ammo was still available and had to go through an ffl.

There was no reason to get a cflc number since its not a firearm under the law.

Anynody have any ideas? Pissed off but our f'ed up laws are to blame more than the dealer trying to protect himself.

[Milsurp Collector]

The fastest and simplest but not the cheapest solution is to just have it shipped to a California FFL and pay the fees.

[Discogodfather]

The dealer has his head up his ***. If it's an Antique, it's an antique. All Loewe made rifles are defacto Antique, period. You could have it shipped to a dealer who is knowledgeable and has a FFL, then have them ship directly to you. There are a few that frequent this forum. It's an added cost but it is still probably cheaper than going through the DROS.

Ammo availability is the dumbest concept, and I am really surprised that the DOJ would even mention it. Are you sure the dealer is not making an excuse because he is afraid to date the rifle? This is usually the case. Ammo is available for many black powder antiques, so it means absolutely nothing.

[Flyin Brian]

The dealer is just ignorant- it's the DOJ that is criminally insane for constantly giving out false information.

If I was in this situation I would probably have it shipped to Reno and then pick it up in person. I imagine the NV FFL would probably want my C&R and I would provide it, however I would not bother with the self-reg form when I bring it home.

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[orangeusa]

What is your location? Then we could suggest smart FFL's.

[Discogodfather]

I imagine the NV FFL would probably want my C&R and I would provide it, however I would not bother with the self-reg form when I bring it home.

Why would they want C&R if they are knowledgeable? Why would you self register an antique?

I get antiques shipped to my door all the time in San Francisco, they are antiques and not firearms. They where all made previous to 1898 and are not regulated, period.

[ElvenSoul]

The dealer has his head up his ***. If it's an Antique, it's an antique. All Loewe made rifles are defacto Antique, period. You could have it shipped to a dealer who is knowledgeable and has a FFL, then have them ship directly to you. There are a few that frequent this forum. It's an added cost but it is still probably cheaper than going through the DROS.

Ammo availability is the dumbest concept, and I am really surprised that the DOJ would even mention it. Are you sure the dealer is not making an excuse because he is afraid to date the rifle? This is usually the case. Ammo is available for many black powder antiques, so it means absolutely nothing.

^^^^This is the best way to go

[Flyin Brian]

Why would they want C&R if they are knowledgeable? Why would you self register an antique?

I get antiques shipped to my door all the time in San Francisco, they are antiques and not firearms. They where all made previous to 1898 and are not regulated, period.

I get antiques shipped to me all the time too. Regardless, the NV FFL in my scenario is probably going to receive the antique through his license, so it will be entered in his book and would need to show it going out to someone else. If they don't do it that way, great! But I would expect that's what is going to happen.



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[Tmckinney]

Before I bid on the thing, the ffl agreed to ship this direct. Then, after the auction, he calls the DOJ because its going to CA and he is set up with the CFLC system. Which of course he didn't need to do since its an unregulated antique.

The DOJ idiots, whi cant give legal advice, then twll him it has to go to an ffl and reference a section that has 3 different definitions of antique, each which appliea to different section of the law. The one about out of production ammo, only relates to destructive devices. But they tell him it means he cant ship.

Its a lie, its FUD, and its just plain wrong. But if I was seller i wouldnt want to ship, not worth the risk.

It really pisses me off that the CA DOJ cant find thier asses with both hands.

[Enfield47]

Before I bid on the thing, the ffl agreed to ship this direct. Then, after the auction, he calls the DOJ because its going to CA and he is set up with the CFLC system. Which of course he didn't need to do since its an unregulated antique.

The DOJ idiots, whi cant give legal advice, then twll him it has to go to an ffl and reference a section that has 3 different definitions of antique, each which appliea to different section of the law. The one about out of production ammo, only relates to destructive devices. But they tell him it means he cant ship.

Its a lie, its FUD, and its just plain wrong. But if I was seller i wouldnt want to ship, not worth the risk.

It really pisses me off that the CA DOJ cant find thier asses with both hands.

Make no mistake, this is done on purpose at the bequest of Kamala Harris. They hate that you can buy an antique gun so they will do everything they can to impede it.

[Tmckinney]

Make no mistake, this is done on purpose at the bequest of Kamala Harris. They hate that you can buy an antique gun so they will do everything they can to impede it.

I wish I could prove that in court. Damages

[OniKoroshi]

OP, if you have a 03/COE, refer the seller to empire arms site for clarification. At least they can read about not having to do the CFLC.

[Enfield47]

I wish I could prove that in court. Damages

If you had enough time and money I'm sure you could. Problem is the state has unlimited resources at their disposal.