CMP speculates 1911 rack grade $1000, others higher

[stephewc]

This is all still speculatory correct? How many years out could we still be talking here? 2-3?

And maybe never. It still actually has to be approved by the Secretary of the Army I believe. Apparently that position is vacant right now.

[mosinnagantm9130]

I think it'd be great to be able to affordably purchase a USGI 1911 through the CMP. For what they are, $1,000 starting price is not "affordable", compared to the new 1911's available.

This is pretty much where I sit on the issue.

$1000 is not reasonable for a rack grade pistol, especially when they're getting 100,000 of them.

If 100,000 surplus high number 1903s hit the market right now, do you really think people would pay $1000 for a rack grade?

[Eljay]

This is pretty much where I sit on the issue.

$1000 is not reasonable for a rack grade pistol, especially when they're getting 100,000 of them.

If 100,000 surplus high number 1903s hit the market right now, do you really think people would pay $1000 for a rack grade?

The thing is they're only getting 10K a year max, and after what'll probably be a couple of years of hype and anticipation. If they get a feeding frenzy going it could sustain itself for quite a while before it collapses... I do think in the long run it'll push down prices but in the short term, who knows.

[Enfield47]

I don't understand why people are comparing buying a new 1911 pistol to a 70+ year 1911. Yes a new one will outshoot these all day long and they are made of a higher quality steel than the originals but that's not what drives the interest in the old 1911s - it's the history. I agree the suggested price seems high to me and being 2x+ the price of a modern 1911 makes buyng these as a shoots a bad investment. However if the buyer is looking for something historical and not a shooter then these fit that bill. To each its own.

[Eljay]

I don't understand why people are comparing buying a new 1911 pistol to a 70+ year 1911.

Opportunity cost.

[teetsjones]

The Secret Mission of. CMP- To turn a bunch of old white guys into proto-socialists by instilling an overpowering feeling of Entitlement.

Mission Accomplished

LMAO @ your comment. Another person willing to accept any offering at any price as Mana from Heaven. Where's Johnjacob when you need him to call someone a sheeple.

It is not a sense of entitlement, when people are willing to pay a fair price for a product. Nor is it entitlement to criticize an inflated price or express disappoint in that price.

I think most here that complained about the $1000 price agreed $700 seemed a fair price. Hardly entitlement.

[Bodlfed66]

Well everybody else put in their 2 cents so I will too. I thought cmp was a marksmanship program that sold c&r's because that was what was available to sell. Military surplus discounted deeply from our government to be sold discounted to civilians with the intent to promote shooting skills and safety. In theory, if they were able to get new guns for basically pennies on the dollar they would be selling them too with the same intent and lower price, correct? So my problem lies in the fact that 1911s are worth money and most likely the money they are asking in a collectible form. Where are they helping shooters? I am guessing they kick that money into clubs and events and that's awesome but I think I would rather push the guns out to people for a cheaper price and get more types of people to buy them that just want to shoot them. I realize this is kind of a fairytale. Truth of the matter is I really want one and may buy one, but only for my collection. It's true you can buy a better 1911 that shoots more accurate for 1/2 the price. Can't say that for any other gun the cmp sells right now can you? Can you buy a semiautomatic that shoots as good as a garand for 1/2 price? New? I would love to know what they are paying for them. $100? 10,000 1911's x 100= $1,000,000 paid. Doubt they paid that much but will keep going. 10,000 1911's x cmp selling price of $1,000= fat cash. And that's every year. Hope the clubs get a lot of money. Now granted I I have no idea what they are buying them for or what cmp makes right now, or what percentage of their money goes where. Seems kinda high though.

[teetsjones]

The Secret Mission of. CMP- To turn a bunch of old white guys into proto-socialists by instilling an overpowering feeling of Entitlement.

Mission Accomplished

Seems someone else has their own sense of Entitlement.

not only does the shelter where I live charge for shots, neutering and adoption they require a site visit and proof all your other animals are neutered. then they might favor you with a dog.

F them. they act like they are doing you a favor.

What? They should give you an immunized, neutered dog for free? How will they support the other dogs in the shelter.
Hypocrite much?

[major burnout]

WTB military re-arsenaled 1911A1. Willing to pay up to $700.

[Bainter1212]

Well everybody else put in their 2 cents so I will too. I thought cmp was a marksmanship program that sold c&r's because that was what was available to sell. Military surplus discounted deeply from our government to be sold discounted to civilians with the intent to promote shooting skills and safety. In theory, if they were able to get new guns for basically pennies on the dollar they would be selling them too with the same intent and lower price, correct? So my problem lies in the fact that 1911s are worth money and most likely the money they are asking in a collectible form. Where are they helping shooters? I am guessing they kick that money into clubs and events and that's awesome but I think I would rather push the guns out to people for a cheaper price and get more types of people to buy them that just want to shoot them. I realize this is kind of a fairytale. Truth of the matter is I really want one and may buy one, but only for my collection. It's true you can buy a better 1911 that shoots more accurate for 1/2 the price. Can't say that for any other gun the cmp sells right now can you? Can you buy a semiautomatic that shoots as good as a garand for 1/2 price? New? I would love to know what they are paying for them. $100? 10,000 1911's x 100= $1,000,000 paid. Doubt they paid that much but will keep going. 10,000 1911's x cmp selling price of $1,000= fat cash. And that's every year. Hope the clubs get a lot of money. Now granted I I have no idea what they are buying them for or what cmp makes right now, or what percentage of their money goes where. Seems kinda high though.

This is a wall-o-text for sure but pretty much my thoughts.

Folks keep arguing that these 1911s going for $1000 baseline just reflects market conditions. My argument is - since when has the CMP sold stuff at market prices?

Using that logic, the CMP selling Garands off for years at below market prices must have been just plain stupid, right?

What I am getting at is this - why the change in philosophy? Are they going to up the price of M1s to meet Gunbroker prices too? Or just adopt a completely different policy with these 1911s versus their history with rifles?

[Cypriss32]

Don't like it, don't buy it. I seem to remember most of you say that about market threads of overpriced guns....

[I Swan]

Don't like it, don't buy it. I seem to remember most of you say that about market threads of overpriced guns....

I agree with you no like you no buy. But this is slighly different due to the supposed mission of the CMP and how these guns were paid for by tadpayers even though many years ago and then given for nearly free to the CMP.

At least they may not end up being destroyed but have at at, I am not interested.

[major burnout]

Dont see what all the pissing is about. Lets say they price the pistols at half of what a documented correct military re-arsenaled 1911A1 goes for... $700. The price will jump to $1000+ after the first batch sells out in 4 days. If they start at $1000 and sales are slow the price will drop to $700. No big deal.

[TRICKSTER]

Dont see what all the pissing is about. Lets say they price the pistols at half of what a documented correct military re-arsenaled 1911A1 goes for... $700. The price will jump to $1000+ after the first batch sells out in 4 days. If they start at $1000 and sales are slow the price will drop to $700. No big deal.

I have never seen the CMP drop prices when things fail to sell or raise prices when there is a high demand. That is why they still have M1C,s and M1D's.

[chinaserf1]

I really don't get the mentality that the CMP should sell for less than market prices. I've felt BLESSED that they have, with M1s. And that's been their real goal: rifle marksmenship.

Surplus pistols are a bonus. It's something they are suddenly being allowed to do (or tasked to do, with the work involved). These 1911s are not Garands and present problems/issues for the armorers to work out.

You people complaining about the tax dollars your grandparents spent, that makes me sick. **** you. Nothing is free in the world, not government, not storage, not refurbishment. You don't get a free ride on the train past generations built. These government bought pistols are not suddenly cheapened. And even if you paid income tax in the 90s, that doesn't entitle you to a cheap government M9. Entitlement really is the right word there.