I need a proper education regarding the Argentine 1909

[ErikCZamudio]

So, being that this is my first ever post on Calguns, I was hoping that I could get a brief, or long history on the Argentine 1909 long Mauser. I have purchased one, and as of December 11th will be the owner of one.

I've looked online and haven't found much regarding them, there seems to be more talk regarding the 1891. I know that they were manufactured in 1909 by DWM (Roughly 10,000), then afterward they switched to domestic manufacture. I also know that some people consider them amongst the best 98 Mausers ever created, can someone substantiate this?

Most information on them I've found is thanks to a few forums and YouTube videos.

I've browsed online looking for collector books and they seem rather expensive and unnecessary seeing as i'll only own 1 Argentine Mauser.

Can the CalGuns forum members school a grasshopper on the Mauser Argentino Modelo 1909?

What's the deal with 7.65x53mm also? What a curious little cartridge.

I apologize in advance for grammatical errors.

Thank you

[ErikCZamudio]

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[marksmandowntown]

Here you are. Wikipedia and Youtube are also good resources to check. When you get your rifle, come back and post well-lit close up pics of it with an emphasis on the markings.

[ErikCZamudio]

Will do, in shop when I observed it, it's all numbers matching (even the cleaning rod! wow!) 1909 produced (serial number is 14**), cartouches are intact as well as the shine and crest on the receiver.

[pacrat]

For Mauser answers. It's hard to beat Mauser Central

http://mausercentral.com/forum/index.php

Yes, the 09 Argie is one of the more desireable Mausers to build on. Look out for the under wood corrosion many So American rifles suffer from. Just the bottom metal with hinged floor plate and lever release in the TG goes for $100 or more in good shape.

The 7.65 Argie cartridge started as the 7.65 Belgian Mauser in 1889. In a Belgian 89 or Argie 91 small ring recievers. Same basic rifle different country. Loads should be kept to the anemic side of the pressure scale.

But in an 09 or other modern rifle design. The 09 is a Large Ring 98 and has better gas handling capabilities incorporated in the design. The 7.65 can be easily loaded to .308 Win performance levels.

JM2c

[MasterChief]

One of the peeknuckles of South American Mausers (my example a bit rough).

[Mustang]

So, being that this is my first ever post on Calguns, I was hoping that I could get a brief, or long history on the Argentine 1909 long Mauser. I have purchased one, and as of December 11th will be the owner of one.

I've looked online and haven't found much regarding them, there seems to be more talk regarding the 1891. I know that they were manufactured in 1909 by DWM (Roughly 10,000), then afterward they switched to domestic manufacture. I also know that some people consider them amongst the best 98 Mausers ever created, can someone substantiate this?

Most information on them I've found is thanks to a few forums and YouTube videos.

I've browsed online looking for collector books and they seem rather expensive and unnecessary seeing as i'll only own 1 Argentine Mauser.

Can the CalGuns forum members school a grasshopper on the Mauser Argentino Modelo 1909?

What's the deal with 7.65x53mm also? What a curious little cartridge.

I apologize in advance for grammatical errors.

Thank you

Congratulations on purchasing a fine rifle. I've been a fan of the 1909 Argentine Mauser and the 7.65x53 cartridge for some time. Many people (me included) do consider the 1909 Argentine to be one of the finest of the military Mauser rifles.

If the rifle that you purchased is truly a "long" rifle (29" barrel), then it is one of 160,000 produced between 1909 and 1912 by DWM. All of the long 1909 Argentine Mausers were produced by DWM and the only domestically produced '09 Argentine Mausers were the shorter (22" barrel) Cavalry carbines.

There were 10,000 "Engineers carbines" produced by DWM, which also have a 22" barrel, but do not have the full length stock.

Here are pictures of some of my Argentines...

The full length "Long" rifle




The Engineers carbine




The DWM Cavalry carbine




The DGFM Cavalry carbine

[Mustang]

The 7.65 x 53 round is an excellent round. As was posted, it is very similar to the .308 (or 7.62x51 Nato). The US Government spent years developing the 7.62 Nato round and I've sometimes wondered why they didn't just neck the 7.65 Argentine round down to 7.62 and get on with it.

There were sniper variants of the '09 Argentine also. I've read that some were recovered by the Brits during the Falklands war.

At any rate, I glommed a previously drilled and tapped '09 Argentine long rifle to use in the "open' category of a vintage military silhouette match. It is still chambered in 7.65 x 53 and I've found it quite accurate.






The match is shot at distances of 220 to 550 yards at metal silhouettes and my scoped '09 has done well at the match.

Recently went to range to check the zero before a match and shot this 5 shot group at 220 yards with the Argentine (just over 1 moa)