FFL3 Question

[condor]

So, I had plans to buy a non-C&R rifle about an hours+ drive away. I was hoping that since I do have an FFL3 that I might be able to pick the gun up after taking it to a dealer for the DROS, and not have to go back down 10 days later to pick the thing up. I did call the local ATF field office and the agent said I'd still have to wait the 10 days. But these folks can be wrong too. So just double checking??

[ke6guj]

if you have a COE along with your 03FFL, then you can purchase and take home C&R firearms from a dealer without having to wait 10-days. you will have to do the DROS, but you can take it home immediately. this is in the PC.

there is no exemption for 03FFLs (with or without a COE) to avoid the 10-day wait with modern firearms.

don't call ATF, they don't know CA law. just like CADOJ doesn't know federal law.

[Flyin Brian]

There is one problem though... If you are buying from a dealer and completing a DROS, you may run into trouble.

If the firearm is on consignment and the dealer is running it as a PPT, there is no option for them to enter the exemption for 10 day wait into the DROS software.

If the dealer bought the firearm and it's coming out of their inventory, then the exemption is there to select.

Someone should file a lawsuit against the doj on this one!

[condor]

Thanks all for the insight. I remember back in the early '60's when things weren't a big bowl of worms.... In the above case it would be a PPT. and having to drive down to the seller twice is a PITA.....

[pitfighter]

I am going senile and cannot find it on their site -
Could someone post the link to the CA DOJ page to download, and print, when we make a purchase through our .03 FFL with our COE?
It's a useful link to have on this thread anyway.

[Nefarious]

I am going senile and cannot find it on their site -
Could someone post the link to the CA DOJ page to download, and print, when we make a purchase through our .03 FFL with our COE?
It's a useful link to have on this thread anyway.

Is this what your talking about???

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof_961.pdf

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and

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf

[ke6guj]

Thanks all for the insight. I remember back in the early '60's when things weren't a big bowl of worms.... In the above case it would be a PPT. and having to drive down to the seller twice is a PITA.....

in that case, have the FFL just run it as a transfer, not a PPT. that way there is no 10-day wait. but if it isn't a PPT, then he isn't limited to $35 total. it could be argued that it physically isa PPT and the $35 rule should apply but that it just was DROSed differently to access the legally-permitted exemption.

[pitfighter]

Ke6guj,


Thank you - that is the link -


JVJ

[condor]

Yep... Got 'm saved. Much appreciated...

[Cokebottle]

DOJ's assumption is likely that a PPT can be cash and carry for a C&R.

They forgot about handguns requiring the FFL.

Since this IS a rifle, have the seller pull the rifle from consignment (offer to pay the consignment fee), and cash-and-carry in the parking lot.

[Quiet]

Is this what your talking about???

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof_961.pdf

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and
http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag...s/curioapp.pdf

The form in the first link (Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report. BOF 961), is used when you acquire a C&R long gun in CA without using a CA FFL dealer. You have 30 days to submit this form, after you take possession of the C&R long gun.

The form in the second link (Curio or Relic Firearm Report. BOF 4100A), is used when you travel to another State and acquire a C&R firearm. You have 5 days to submit this form, after you enter CA with the C&R firearm.

[six seven tango]

The form in the first link (Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report. BOF 961), is used when you acquire a C&R long gun in CA without using a CA FFL dealer. You have 30 days to submit this form, after you take possession of the C&R long gun.

This also includes mail order C&R long guns, regardless of where they're coming from, as long as you're taking possession in CA.

[MosinVirus]

I would like to get more info on this please... I have a couple of C&R rifles I am selling. I am a licensee (C&R holder). If another member has a C&R and a COE, do we do cash and carry, or do we still go to a dealer for a PPT?

[condor]

I would like to get more info on this please... I have a couple of C&R rifles I am selling. I am a licensee (C&R holder). If another member has a C&R and a COE, do we do cash and carry, or do we still go to a dealer for a PPT?

If they were logged in they need to be logged out. If they were in your personal collection, pre FFL days, they still need to be logged out to the new FFL dealer and entered into your book. Hand guns need to be run through an FFL1 dealer no matter what. The exception would be Black Powder. That's Cash'n'Carry to anyone.

[MosinVirus]

If they were logged in they need to be logged out. If they were in your personal collection, pre FFL days, they still need to be logged out to the new FFL dealer and entered into your book. Hand guns need to be run through an FFL1 dealer no matter what. The exception would be Black Powder. That's Cash'n'Carry to anyone.

The Rifles are in my log book and I would obviously log then out once sold. If the buyer is an 03 like me and has a COE, do we still have to go to 01 FFL to do a ppt? Or can I simply get his copy of 03 and COE and give him my copies and exchange rifles for money and call it a day? Both of us would obviously have to update our log books and buyer would have to send in a form...

So, what is the law now? PPT at 01 for everything? These are not antique or black powder guns.