What is the process for registering C&R guns?

[JoeCA]

I have a C&R and COE. I found two registration forms:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof_961.pdf

What if I get a Garand from CMP? Do I have to send in one of these forms with $19? On BOF 961 it seems to say that its only required for acquisitions from "non-licensees":

Federally licensed collectors (FFL type 03) in California who have a current COE may acquire curio or relic long guns from non-licensees without completing the transfer through a licensed firearms dealer only if he/she completes and submits this report to the California Department of Justice within thirty (30) days of taking possession of the long gun.

Is CMP a licensee or a non-licensee? If it is a licensee then can I not register it, and save $19?

[81turbota]

All acquisitions with your C&R/COE must be registered. If you have it shipped to you (from a licensee or not) or meet a non licensee for a face to face transaction, it must be registered via BOF961.

If you buy it in person at a CA FFL, it will be registered under DROS.

Scenario 1: CMP ships you a Garand, since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961. Doesn't matter if it's from a licensee or not, it was not processed by a CA FFL. I have bought guns from out of state FFLs, if they get shipped to me directly they need to be registered by BOF961.

Scenario 2: You meet Joe Schmoe at a parking lot to buy a C&R long gun using your FFL/COE. Since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961.

Scenario 3: You see a nice C&R long gun at a CA gun store, you buy it and the dealer DROS's it under a collector acquisition using the appropriate waiting exemption, you do not have to register via BOF961, it was done for you by the dealer.

Scenario 4: You visit the AZ gun show and buy a C&R long gun or pistol (since you're physically out of state), once you return with the firearm to CA, you must register via BOF4100.

BOF961 = in state collector firearm acquisition
BOF4100 = curio and relic firearm report, 5 day suspense vs 30. (used with out of state acquisitions that you physically bring into the state)

Keep in mind: No matter where the gun came from or how it was registered, if you use your FFL03 to buy it it must be logged in your bound book. All C&R guns (other than antiques) bought after January 1st, 2014 will get registered via DROS or BOF961/4100. The BOF961 covers a 30 day window, so you can aquire as many C&R guns you like and stuff them all on the same form and $19 check as long as it is done within 30 days. The BOF4100 has a drastically shorter suspense of 5 days.

Hope this helps!

[OniKoroshi]

If you receive any C&R long gun in California you need BOF961 as it's the only one that has room for the COE.

You have to register ALL received long arms with DOJ. Look over BOF961.

As far as CMP having an FFL number, they don't. General consensus it to list CMP and their address. But that is ONLY for your bound book and not for California DOJ.

[OniKoroshi]

81turbota I think you got scenario 4 wrong. You use BOF4100 since it was acquired "out of state" and have 5 days to send the extortion fee and paperwork in.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf

[81turbota]

81turbota I think you got scenario 4 wrong. You use BOF4100 since it was acquired "out of state" and have 5 days to send the extortion fee and paperwork in.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag...s/curioapp.pdf

You're absolutely correct. Thank you! Edited to reflect.

[OniKoroshi]

You're absolutely correct. Thank you! Edited to reflect.

Nice edited post. Looks like you got the scenarios covered.

[Flyin Brian]

FYI- when you get the confirmation back from DOJ, it is a form letter that says "your c&r handgun that you bought out of state is now registered" regardless of whether it's a handgun or long gun that you bought out of state with 03 or here in CA using your 03/COE.

[chknlyps2]

All acquisitions with your C&R/COE must be registered. If you have it shipped to you (from a licensee or not) or meet a non licensee for a face to face transaction, it must be registered via BOF961.

If you buy it in person at a CA FFL, it will be registered under DROS.

Scenario 1: CMP ships you a Garand, since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961. Doesn't matter if it's from a licensee or not, it was not processed by a CA FFL. I have bought guns from out of state FFLs, if they get shipped to me directly they need to be registered by BOF961.

Scenario 2: You meet Joe Schmoe at a parking lot to buy a C&R long gun using your FFL/COE. Since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961.

Scenario 3: You see a nice C&R long gun at a CA gun store, you buy it and the dealer DROS's it under a collector acquisition using the appropriate waiting exemption, you do not have to register via BOF961, it was done for you by the dealer.

Scenario 4: You visit the AZ gun show and buy a C&R long gun or pistol (since you're physically out of state), once you return with the firearm to CA, you must register via BOF4100.

BOF961 = in state collector firearm acquisition
BOF4100 = curio and relic firearm report, 5 day suspense vs 30. (used with out of state acquisitions that you physically bring into the state)

Keep in mind: No matter where the gun came from or how it was registered, if you use your FFL03 to buy it it must be logged in your bound book. All C&R guns (other than antiques) bought after January 1st, 2014 will get registered via DROS or BOF961/4100. The BOF961 covers a 30 day window, so you can aquire as many C&R guns you like and stuff them all on the same form and $19 check as long as it is done within 30 days. The BOF4100 has a drastically shorter suspense of 5 days.

Hope this helps!

Not trying to be a nit picker but you might want to reword the bold part above. Great explanation by the way!

Any C&R firearm acquired while licensed needs to be entered in your bound book whether you used your 03 or not to get it.

Around 2011 an FFL had some Walther P1's and I wanted 3. I had my 03 and my COE but they would not honor the 10 day wait or the 1 handgun in 30 day exemptions.

With the new DROS system there is no 10 day wait exemption in the DROS software drop down menu for C&R ppt.

In both of the above situations I never used my FFL03 but I still had to enter it into my bound book.

[JoeCA]

All acquisitions with your C&R/COE must be registered. If you have it shipped to you (from a licensee or not) or meet a non licensee for a face to face transaction, it must be registered via BOF961.

If you buy it in person at a CA FFL, it will be registered under DROS.

Scenario 1: CMP ships you a Garand, since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961. Doesn't matter if it's from a licensee or not, it was not processed by a CA FFL. I have bought guns from out of state FFLs, if they get shipped to me directly they need to be registered by BOF961.

Scenario 2: You meet Joe Schmoe at a parking lot to buy a C&R long gun using your FFL/COE. Since this was not processed by a CA 01FFL, you must register via BOF961.

Scenario 3: You see a nice C&R long gun at a CA gun store, you buy it and the dealer DROS's it under a collector acquisition using the appropriate waiting exemption, you do not have to register via BOF961, it was done for you by the dealer.

Scenario 4: You visit the AZ gun show and buy a C&R long gun or pistol (since you're physically out of state), once you return with the firearm to CA, you must register via BOF4100.

BOF961 = in state collector firearm acquisition
BOF4100 = curio and relic firearm report, 5 day suspense vs 30. (used with out of state acquisitions that you physically bring into the state)

Keep in mind: No matter where the gun came from or how it was registered, if you use your FFL03 to buy it it must be logged in your bound book. All C&R guns (other than antiques) bought after January 1st, 2014 will get registered via DROS or BOF961/4100. The BOF961 covers a 30 day window, so you can aquire as many C&R guns you like and stuff them all on the same form and $19 check as long as it is done within 30 days. The BOF4100 has a drastically shorter suspense of 5 days.

Hope this helps!

What about a scenerio where you buy a c&r handgun out of state, then bring it back home? BOF 961 only has space to put long gun information.

BOF 4100A?

[81turbota]

What about a scenerio where you buy a c&r handgun out of state, then bring it back home? BOF 961 only has space to put long gun information.

BOF 4100A?

Correct. BOF4100, handgun mentioned in scenario 4.

Chnkylps2, yes there are outliers like your scenario. I tried to cover the 4 most common C&R encounters. I inherited a C&R long gun and brought it back with me from MI, I logged it in my bound book to be safe even though I didn't use my C&R FFL to aquire it.

[mj1]

So your telling me that the G43 I bought in 1965 for $100 would have to be registered today if I still had it ? How about the SKS I bought in 1982 ?

[81turbota]

So your telling me that the G43 I bought in 1965 for $100 would have to be registered today if I still had it ? How about the SKS I bought in 1982 ?

See bold

Keep in mind: No matter where the gun came from or how it was registered, if you use your FFL03 to buy it it must be logged in your bound book. All C&R guns (other than antiques) bought after January 1st, 2014 will get registered via DROS or BOF961/4100. The BOF961 covers a 30 day window, so you can aquire as many C&R guns you like and stuff them all on the same form and $19 check as long as it is done within 30 days. The BOF4100 has a drastically shorter suspense of 5 days.

[TRICKSTER]

Just one thing. You do not "use" your license, you are licensed. Any firearm, that qualifies as a C&R, that you acquire or dispose of while licensed must be entered in your bound book. If you ship your C&R firearm out to a gunsmith for repairs, it is to be logged out and then logged back in when you get it back.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=54c2a0b180c0a7f6230010fe1efdd0fc&mc=true&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title27/27cfr478_main_02.tpl

[81turbota]

Just one thing. You do not "use" your license, you are licensed. Any firearm, that qualifies as a C&R, that you acquire or dispose of while licensed must be entered in your bound book. If you ship your C&R firearm out to a gunsmith for repairs, it is to be logged out and then logged back in when you get it back.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...78_main_02.tpl

Great addition, I did not think of that. Thanks for sharing and correcting the terms

[Enfield47]

Great explanation James and good clarification points by everyone else. It makes this process easy to understand.