Faked bringback papers?

[81turbota]

Hey everyone,
I was watching this auction but did not bid due to the questionable bringback papers. If the paperwork is the real deal, someone got it for a good price.

What do you guys think?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=500478307

[mosinnagantm9130]

The format of the paperwork I've seen before, so that doesn't bother me.

That paper doesn't look old though. That's a tough one.

[mosinnagantm9130]

What do you think that pistol would go for without any papers?

[81turbota]

What do you think that pistol would go for without any papers?

$800 is a decent price for the paperless rig IMO. With papers, I was expecting it to go $1000-1100. The issue I have with the papers is the ink and paper look too new. Also, it's filled out incorrectly for rank, branch, organization on the approval authority. Maybe I'm just nitpicking.

[Jimja]

The papers/ink look very "new", but I'm not an expert.

I've seen papers where somebody wrote in items that were not originally there, different ink and even handwriting, but I suppose that could have been done at the time by a GI that wanted an extra souvenir to take home

[Discogodfather]

Seems like the right form but I agree I have never seen one with such "white" paper. They are usually yellowish white with fold marks, etc. Not saying that I know if it's authentic or not.

Hard one to say, an ink or paper expert would probably be able to tell more. You kind of have to work backwards with these:

Is it a photocopy (still could be authentic if it was photocopied from an original)?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

If the paperwork was placed in a sealed bag a long time ago, and sat in a drawer, it is possible that it didn't really age. We have all seen old hard cover books (older than WWII) that were still in pristine shape.

As others said, it is possible to go either way.

[Capybara]

Who would spend money to hire a paper expert for a $300.00 to $400.00 difference? Maybe wait for Antiques Roadshow to visit your area and take to them? Free paper analysis.

[IronColt]

Maybe that paperwork is a copy?

[kevintao]

$800 is a decent price for the paperless rig IMO. With papers, I was expecting it to go $1000-1100. The issue I have with the papers is the ink and paper look too new. Also, it's filled out incorrectly for rank, branch, organization on the approval authority. Maybe I'm just nitpicking.

The nitpicking is usually how "experts" at apraisers/auction decide if its real or fake , and worth of the item(unique markings etc)
and yeah it does look like a copy/fake, something folded for that long would have deeper creases and would age the paper(possibly), the ink also looks inconsistent too lol
also where is the other page? it was stapled to something beforehand

The suspect

[nick]

Got papers from a different war, however, it's still filled out by hand,



It's whiter than it looks on the scan.

[81turbota]

The second page would most likely be a duplicate to turn into local LEO or customs stateside. Korean War/Vietnam War paperwork sometimes has a totally different second page if it is still present.

These are a different format but contain all pertinent info, both original copies at some point stapled together. These were stored folded up in an envelope, I can only assume since 1945.

BR made a good point if they were stored well they wouldn't age quickly. I'm not a paper expert, but the paper in the auction just didn't look right.

Nick, that's a new one for me, USMC specific. Very cool, love the "long tom" rifle!

[zinfull]

Most people that collect consider the that bring back papers are an added bonus and will not pay much more for them. Buy the gun not the story. Papers are one of the easiest to fake.

[CSACANNONEER]

If someone was going to go to the trouble of forging the documents, they would go to the trouble of aging them too.

[I Swan]

I want a "Ruissan" long Tom rifle.