Store would not accept my C&R

[corrosively_armed]

At least on bolt actions you can do cash and carry at central valley gun shows. It's been this way for years. The gunshow security people will check the rifle before you leave to make sure it's 50 years old and then let you leave. You don't need a candr or anything. Wouldn't work on an sks though because they are too new.

[ke6guj]

If you are talking about purchasing a 50+ year old longgun from a private party, that is legal. The law does not require a PPT transfer for longguns over 50 years old between private parties.

And there are 50+ year old SKSs so they would be cash-and-carry as well.

[spencerhut]

You don't have to fill one (FORM 4473) out in California either if you use your C&R and COE.

Does this apply to Hand and Long Guns?

C&R only, or modern as well?

[EOD Guy]

Does this apply to Hand and Long Guns?

C&R only, or modern as well?

Only C&R handguns, rifles, and shotguns. DROS paperwork is still required, though.

[yellowfin]

Buying out of state with C&R saves a bundle of money too.

[leelaw]

You don't have to fill one out in California either if you use your C&R and COE.

If it is a C&R longgun over 50 years old..

[cackinthebox]

i thought there was something about C&R's not being good enough for SKS's in CA

[ke6guj]

i thought there was something about C&R's not being good enough for SKS's in CA

There are multiple issues regarding C&Rs and SKS's. First off, are you talking about buying from an FFL dealer? If so, ALL firearms in his inventory must be DROSed, C&R or modern. Your C&R does not exempt you from this. However, if you do have a C&R + COE, then you are exempt from the 10-day wait on C&R firearms, including those under 50-years old.

Now, for the SKSs, I beleive that they are all listed as C&R per the ATF, but not all of them are 50+ years old. Only the ones 50+ years old can be cash-and-carried between non-FFLs, or shipped in from an FFL to a C&R.

[ke6guj]

If it is a C&R longgun over 50 years old..

Doesn't the C&R + COE exemption apply to all C&R firearms from a dealer, not just 50+ year old ones?

12078(t)(1) The waiting period described in Sections 12071 or 12072 shall not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor, by a dealer to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071. On the date that the delivery, sale, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 12077.

I don't see a 50 year limitiation in that section of the code.


And thinking about it further, even with just a C&R, it may be possible to skip the 4473 from the dealer. You'd still have to DROS it and wait the 10-days, but would it be legal to give the dealer a copy of the C&R and not have to fill out the 4473?

[EOD Guy]

If it is a C&R longgun over 50 years old..

No, for all C&R fitrearms. The 50 yr long gun exemption has nothing to do with a C&R FFL in California.

[EOD Guy]

And thinking about it further, even with just a C&R, it may be possible to skip the 4473 from the dealer. You'd still have to DROS it and wait the 10-days, but would it be legal to give the dealer a copy of the C&R and not have to fill out the 4473?

It would be perfectly legal. The 4473 is a Federal requirement for sales to unlicensed individuals. Also, you are exempt from the 10 day wait when you have both a Type 03 FFL and a California COE. DROS is still required.