A Really stupid question.

[Cessnapilot89]

So recently I bought an 1891 Argentine Mauser from a local shop. Did the paperwork and the DROS on the rifle, and now it's in the 10 lock up portion of it's existence. Come to find out, that going by the serial number the rifle was made in 1895 and not considered a gun. As it is now registered to me and DROS'ed to me, is there a way to unregister it? Now that it is registered to me, will it have to be transferred through an FFL if I ever happen to sell it?

[CSACANNONEER]

I recently found out that I have a cap and ball revolver which was "registered" to me in 1988. There's a NLIP of form that you could send DOJ after you sell it to a friend without any paperwork. Afterwards, you could legally buy it back without any paperwork.

[Cessnapilot89]

Forgive my ignorance, what is NLIP?

[mosinnagantm9130]

No longer in possesion

[musketjon]

A dealer has no choice about the 10 day lock up--period.
Jon

[six seven tango]

A dealer has no choice about the 10 day lock up--period.
Jon

Correct, except when we're talking about antique firearms. Antique is defined as manufactured in or before 1898, or replicas of antiques. Antique firearms, by ATF definition, are not firearms, and therefore are not subject to 4473's, DROS, 10 day wait, 1 in 30 for handguns, etc. They are true cash and carry, w/out any licenses.

[chiliman21]

I believe cadoj and at play the game a little different. My two cents

[six seven tango]

I believe cadoj and at play the game a little different. My two cents

Based on???

I could walk 3 blocks to Turners right now, pick out a BP revolver, pay for it and walk out the door with it. All without even showing my ID, unless I paid with a credit card. I've done it before, and nothing has changed since.

[eighteenninetytwo]

Correct. I bought. Lee Speed rifle last year completely on a whim. Tastes like freedom.

[Flyin Brian]

Based on???

I could walk 3 blocks to Turners right now, pick out a BP revolver, pay for it and walk out the door with it. All without even showing my ID, unless I paid with a credit card. I've done it before, and nothing has changed since.

The difference is that once the CA 01FFL puts the antique on their books, they need to DROS it to get it off their books. Of course, they didn't need to enter it in the first place, but most do it regardless of the date of manufacture.

Comparing it to buying a black powder gun isn't really a fair comparison, as dealers tend to treat those differently since there is no question they are cash n carry. I'm not saying it is right, just what my experience has been on this issue.

[six seven tango]

...Comparing it to buying a black powder gun isn't really a fair comparison, ...

I don't see why it's an unfair comparison seeing that BP is specifically mentioned in the definition of an antique firearm.

(16) The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or

(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica—
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or

(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or

(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

The difference is that once the CA 01FFL puts the antique on their books, they need to DROS it to get it off their books. Of course, they didn't need to enter it in the first place, but most do it regardless of the date of manufacture.

I get what you're saying about what some 01's needlessly do, but just because those 01's don't know what they're doing doesn't change what the law says. It also doesn't change the fact that CADOJ is not requiring DROS, 10 day wait, etc. as the post that I was replying to stated. I think the law is pretty straight forward.

[0321jarhead]

[2meterB]

The above says that antique Centerfires are not 'antique'. But I'm not the sharpest bayonet in the safe...

[19K]

The above says that antique Centerfires are not 'antique'. But I'm not the sharpest bayonet in the safe...

If you read it correctly you would see that it's talking about reproductions that have been designed or redesigned to fire center fire cartidges are not antiques.

If you have a gun and it was made in 1898 it is an antique regardless if it's black powder, smokeless, rim fire, or center fire. I've bought 3 antiques online and in person that were able to use center fire ammunition. A 50-70 30-40

[0321jarhead]