AK kit question..........& some other related questions

[kakpataka]

How good are the German ak kits?
How much would you value a fixed ak
kit with original furniture, muzzle brake( the cool one)
making it 16" barrel.
front/rear night sight, 80% ( the inexpensive ones)
06mm receiver
I am assuming this counts as 80% receiver since you have
to drill hole and cut
up stuff for mag etc.
how would one go about completing the receiver & how would
one dros it since the receiver does nt have any serial # as it is
just a blank now?
It is my understanding that if the receiver is just a blank w.out
holes & what not, it is not a firearm.

[aplinker]

Why don't you try editing that for clarity?

[motorhead]

ddr ak kits are almost nonexistant. the brown bakelite pimple stocks and handguards are all over. std ak bbl. is over 16" with no brake. perhaps you should post pix. sounds like you're being led astray. much wrong info.

[kakpataka]

ok...................i ll try to edit and make it sound simpler.

the receiver is not GDR. But it is one of em heavier ones.
the stock is not the dimpled one but wood.
How do I id it for being GDR? The numbers on parts match.
the Pg is reddish, but not plastic.
the MB was put on by the current owner.
Were there no german Ak's with barrel under 16" ?
Can you guys id the receiver?
It also seems it has been 100% disassembled as it wont need
anything to be pressed out.

here is the pics

[drummerdude1188]

Looks like a standard akm barrel with an amd65 brake on it, stock set could be from anything, I could probably tell you what kind of barrel assembly that is if you can get a close up of the arsenal marking on the front trunnion, btw whats GDR? do you mean DDR as in east german

[JeffM]

Looks like a Hungarian AMD barrel and a Romanian "G" stock set with the VFG cut off and refinished.

EDIT: on second glance, it is a standard length barrel with an AMD break.

The front trunnion is missing from the pic and that often can indicate the country of origin.

[kakpataka]

Looks like a standard akm barrel with an amd65 brake on it, stock set could be from anything, I could probably tell you what kind of barrel assembly that is if you can get a close up of the arsenal marking on the front trunnion, btw whats GDR? do you mean DDR as in east german

Thanks ........ I ll look for that and post tomorrow in the late AM!
in the meantime GDR =The German Democratic Republic (East Germany).

[kakpataka]

Looks like a standard akm barrel with an amd65 brake on it, stock set could be from anything, I could probably tell you what kind of barrel assembly that is if you can get a close up of the arsenal marking on the front trunnion, btw whats GDR? do you mean DDR as in east german

Thanks , K & Jeff
........ It has a triangle & it says 1981 S-AH & then the four digit serial number. There are no other markings.
in the meantime GDR =The German Democratic Republic (East Germany), so in German it may have been DDR.

[JeffM]

Thanks , K & Jeff
........ It has a triangle & it says 1981 S-AH & then the four digit serial number. There are no other markings.
in the meantime GDR =The German Democratic Republic (East Germany), so in German it may have been DDR.

Sounds like it's Romanian. By the looks of it, the bayonet lug has been removed, so the kit may have been from a demilled commercially imported rifle.

[kakpataka]

Sounds like it's Romanian. By the looks of it, the bayonet lug has been removed, so the kit may have been from a demilled commercially imported rifle.

Interesting..................
I still like the kit though. I can get the Galil style HG,thicker receiver,some spare springs, AR hand guards(regular ones).
the barrel is chrome lined & the bore looks very clean.
I am wondering now how much $$$ should I offer him. It is someone I know
who needs money but I as sure if he say it is from E. Germany,then whoever he had bought it from must ve told him the same.

[JeffM]

If it's complete and doesn't look abused, $200+/- is ballpark for the kit. With the bent receiver blank, maybe another $10-$20, but I'd buy an NDS3 receiver to build it on instead.

[kakpataka]

If it's complete and doesn't look abused, $200+/- is ballpark for the kit. With the bent receiver blank, maybe another $10-$20, but I'd buy an NDS3 receiver to build it on instead.

Jeff..........he wants me to buy the whole thing, it includes all parts to complete it. And about the bent receiver blank, how does that get the serial number and drosed? Also, since the process wont be that difficult because the trunnions wont need to be pressed out, how much can I expect to pay someone to put it together? I can always wait for another build party but the receiver being blank that may pose some legal questions....
I also thought that heavier blanks would be worth a bit more like 100 or so. As I was thinking I could always sell it & the galil style Hg & then maybe buy a cut up receiver!
lastly, this is a Romanian kit for sure, right?

[JeffM]

The bent receiver blank is not yet a receiver, and therefore not a firearm. It doesn't need a serial number yet. It is just a piece of sheet metal. No need to DROS/transfer it through an FFL.

If YOU end up building it for your personal collection, then you don't need to put a serial number on it. If you ever wanted to sell it however, you would be required to add a serial number.

I don't know of any professional builders you can send it to who build from blanks or flats. You would probably need to purchase a receiver if you wanted to send it off to be built. Builds run in the $200-$300 range, depending on what you want done and who the builder is.

The front trunnion you described sounds like a Romanian, similar to this:


The barrel makes me wonder though. It looks too short for a standard AKM, but too long for a Hungarian AMD.

Detailed pics of all the markings on the barrel and trunnion would help ID it better. Also, does the lower handguard retainer have holes in it? Is the muzzle break welded on or blind-pinned to make it permanent?

[motorhead]

bbl. looks amd. that trunnion is romy. is there a big "G" on the rear sight block? may be painted over, usually electropencilled on. oops, my bad looking at exemplar trunnion. need to see markings on op's trunnion. that will show origin. triangle (arrow?) sounds romy. probably a frankenkit.

[kakpataka]

bbl. looks amd. that trunnion is romy. is there a big "G" on the rear sight block? may be painted over, usually electropencilled on. oops, my bad looking at exemplar trunnion. need to see markings on op's trunnion. that will show origin. triangle (arrow?) sounds romy. probably a frankenkit.

M.............yeah the G thang is not visible.
The condition is excellent. The serial # on the top cover and front Trunnion matches And yes there is a triangle on the trunnion & then it say 1981 s-ah and teh serial number.
Also, he said to get the longer Axis pins , the ones for yugo since I think he said the receiver is thicker? I cant recall but it was something like that he had said.
So, should I get it for mid-high 200z?