Hi Point carbine legality....

[Clydedog]

...I've been wanting a Hi Point 9mm carbine for a while. I know for legality here in the PRK, I'll be needing a bullet button, some form of MMG (on the factory stock) or to fill in the stock if using the ATI. What would you guys recommend? Any sources for a bullet button or pics of a MMG/filled stock would really be appreciated....

[Patriot]

At one point LanWorld was selling them with BBs installed IIRC

[CWatson]

I am planning on doing the same thing. I will most likely put a fin between the stock and grip because the factory stock has a good size thumbrest.

CW











I may go KelTec instead.

[Patriot]

I may go KelTec instead.

I thought about that in some detail...I'll explain why (IMO) getting a sub-2000 in CA would be a PITA

[Patriot]

I thought about that in some detail...I'll explain why (IMO) getting a sub-2000 in CA would be a PITA

First, the stock sub-2000 is 29.5" OAL according to Kel-tec. As a centerfire semi-automatic, that means it needs at least another .5" to avoid being an AW.

Keltec does make a snap-on plastic stock extension that would solve that problem, but it is a lot less permanent that I would like. It is designed to allow the carbine to fold completely even w/ stock extension attached. A 3rd party extension would have to be designed to allow this as well in order to fully fold the carbine. There are ways of making it permanent, but that means more hassle.

You could also use a muzzle device of some sorts...gotta be careful about detachable mags though, depending on what type of muzzle device. Also, unless fairly permanent, it has the same problem as the stock extension.

Also, the sub-2000 needs either a featureless MMG-type configuration or a non-detachable mag to be CA-legal.

The featureless build is by far the more attractive option to me. However, the stock tube for the sub-2000 has the charging handle underneath it (or so it appears from the pics - I haven't been able to handle one personally). Therefore, a MMG-type grip/filled 3rd party stock would need to allow sufficient clearance for operation.

Finally, it appears that the pistol grip is an integral part of the receiver. (Versus a removable attachment like on AR/AKs.) This means shipping to CA in stock configuration would be a pain.

My conclusion is that the most feasible modification for features (length remains problematic) would be to alter the mag catch/release mechanism (it appears to be one piece from Kel-tec's exploded diagrams) by shortening the "button" portion enough that it requires a tool to access. That is assuming the part would still function effectively after being so shortened.

[Patriot]

Another problem w/

(a) MMG-type modification
(b) Permanent stock extension

to the sub-2000 that I forgot to mention. Diassembly/field-stripping requires that you remove the buffer out the back of the tube by pressing a stock pin and taking it out via an opening in the back of the stock. Obviously, anything that obstructs this would make field stripping a ROYAL pain.

[CWatson]

Another problem w/

(a) MMG-type modification
(b) Permanent stock extension

to the sub-2000 that I forgot to mention. Diassembly/field-stripping requires that you remove the buffer out the back of the tube by pressing a stock pin and taking it out via an opening in the back of the stock. Obviously, anything that obstructs this would make field stripping a ROYAL pain.

I will have to take another look at one . What I was thinking of would amount to a A2 style stock hollowed out mounted to a bracket welded on the buffer tube.


Or I could continue asking Kel-Tec to make a 9mm SU-16 that takes Glock Mags.

CW

[trinydex]

i have one for sale with the ati stock. brand new hasn't been fired.

[Clydedog]

....is there anyone out there with a PRK legal Hi Point, modded with an insert/MMG or bullet button? What do you think of it? Which way would you recommend I go if you were me?

[trinydex]

i do... it has a BB in it.

if you wanted one, i recommend you buy it from me

here's what's involved. you could get the BB from prince50 himself for a good price and then have someone out of state import it in pieces to an ffl who will accept it. this of course comes with the out of state importation fees (which i ate for you if you decide to buy mine). keep in mind that installing the bb isn't quite easy, you'd have to uninstall the stock and then either self thread the BB into the stock or have a tap and die set and tap the plastic a bit before you thread the BB in.

if you want the ati stock then you'll have to do this process all over again which is NOT easy. you have to clamp the little mag release assembly and you pretty much have to tap it because there's just not enough leverage self tap it into that little plate. as you can see from the pictures in my for sale thread, it's all installed for you already.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=126612&highlight=point

here is the thread with the pics.

the last option is to go through lanworld or coldwar shooters to install the bb for you and then import it. that will involve the out of state fee of course and probably their labor costs.

[ga_repoman]

Jumping through all those hoops just to own a rifle ?!?!???
And even then you cant carry any of them for any protection purpose
#1 solution to all of yall's rifle problems
LEAVE KOMMIE FORNIA
everything cost too much anyway

[jinggoyd1967]

If we leave, who's going to keep fighting for the people's rights. I think running away is not the answer.

[mdhpper]

If we leave, who's going to keep fighting for the people's rights. I think running away is not the answer.