I have AR-10 fever

[bulgron]

A buddy of mine let me try out his home-brew AR-10 last weekend, the one with the way kewl trijicon scope. Now I want one too.

Problem is, I just really don't need another project. By that, I mean, I don't want to build one myself. Instead, I want to pick up a complete build.

So if you were going to start looking at complete builds of CA-legal AR-10s, where would you go to find them?

Or, this being CA, am I required to build my own AR-10 from components just so I can get a merit badge or something?

Thanks.

[stphnman20]

Man I want one too!

I say build it yourself.

[UBFRAGD]

I have Fulton Armory 308 fever. I tried aspirin and antibiotics and .22 conversions but the only thing that really satisfies is BUILD.

[trinydex]

look in the classifieds there's several for sale right now i think.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=103538&highlight=ar10

here's a couple

[dawson8r]

I've had a recent relapse of BRD too. I DROSed a Noveske N6 last week. Friend of mine pointed me to Armalite's "Web Special" link on their website. Ended up buying the U10A4B SIR complete upper. Unlike some of their other uppers, this one is complete with bolt carrier and charging handle. Upper is also double lapped and test fired. With the $500 off their normal price I'll pretty much be able to complete the project within my budget. Do your own research though. Biggest complaint is that the SIR systems are heavy compared to recent offerings from other manufacturers. Not a problem for me since I'll mostly shoot this from the bench or prone with a mat. Good luck on your builds!

[Spyduh]

I've had a recent relapse of BRD too. I DROSed a Noveske N6 last week. Friend of mine pointed me to Armalite's "Web Special" link on their website. Ended up buying the U10A4B SIR complete upper. Unlike some of their other uppers, this one is complete with bolt carrier and charging handle. Upper is also double lapped and test fired. With the $500 off their normal price I'll pretty much be able to complete the project within my budget. Do your own research though. Biggest complaint is that the SIR systems are heavy compared to recent offerings from other manufacturers. Not a problem for me since I'll mostly shoot this from the bench or prone with a mat. Good luck on your builds!

DUDE, we are quadruplets =)

I bought myself a Noveske N6 last week also and bought the Armalite webspecial w/ SIR rail for $850. So did my other buddy and I think Chris @ Adxtactical bought one also. It's a steal at that price for the webspecial.

I'm also a little worried about the SIR system being a bit heavy. But it's mostly going to be used @ the range any way. This is meant for long range any way and not meant for CQB tactical action. Whole point of buying the AR10 is to really reach out and touch somebody if needed.

[bulgron]

How come you guys went with the Noveske? I just ordered an Aero stripped lower for $100 less than the Noveske. From my research, there didn't seem to be enough of a difference between Aero and Noveske to warrant spending $100 more on the Noveske.

Maybe I missed something?

Am I going to have buyer's regrets?

[shark92651]

I've got the fever as well. I let my N6 receiver sit in the safe for a couple months but then I had to go and build up the lower so now I am looking at upper options. I was considing getting the AR10T 20" SST barrel from Armalite and having it threaded for a SST muzzle brake and then having it bead blasted for a nice matte gray finish (similar to Noveske barrels). What do you think? Any suggestions for muzzle brake and who can fit it and do the bead blasting for me?

[Spyduh]

How come you guys went with the Noveske? I just ordered an Aero stripped lower for $100 less than the Noveske. From my research, there didn't seem to be enough of a difference between Aero and Noveske to warrant spending $100 more on the Noveske.

Maybe I missed something?

Am I going to have buyer's regrets?

Actually I got mine only slightly more than the Aero. I'll PM you the price I got mine for. I haven't seen the Aero in person but have seen the Novkese and it's very nicely built. I have looked at side by side comparisons pictures of Aero and Novekse and decided that spending a little more won't kill me. Aero's fairly new to the market and I think it's only been out for a few months. Novkese's name is well known for their quality. I'm sure your Aero would be fine and work the same as all lowers. After all the lower doesn't effect to much if you skimp, the barrel and upper is what counts.

Just spend that saved money on a match barrel or nice glass!

[Spyduh]

I've got the fever as well. I let my N6 receiver sit in the safe for a couple months but then I had to go and build up the lower so now I am looking at upper options. I was considing getting the AR10T 20" SST barrel from Armalite and having it threaded for a SST muzzle brake and then having it bead blasted for a nice matte gray finish (similar to Noveske barrels). What do you think? Any suggestions for muzzle brake and who can fit it and do the bead blasting for me?

Nice dude. That's a sweet upper; very pricey but nice.

I'm either going with the FSC30 Comp/Flash or the DNTC308 Comp. I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to spend an additional $30 for the FSC30 to have a comp and flash together. Don't know if I really need it.

FSC30

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=51&idproduct=308

DNTC

http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=156&idproduct=1064

As for bead blasting. I have no idea who does this.

[shark92651]

I like the FSC30 but was also looking at the media-blasted DNTC308. Too bad there isn't a media-blasted version of the FSC30 or else I would jump right on it. I would like something that will match the barrel after I have it blasted.

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=5&idproduct=7

Since I want to use the Daniel Defense AR10 lite rail 12.0 on this build I am not planning on getting the entire upper from Armalite, just the upper receiver, barrel, and bolt/carrier/etc... Since I can get dealer pricing on most of this stuff I can save a few bucks and build something a bit nicer, but then I'm going to turn around and spend those saved bucks on having the barrel threaded and bead-blasted. Decisions, decisions...

[Spyduh]

I like the FSC30 but was also looking at the media-blasted DNTC308. Too bad there isn't a media-blasted version of the FSC30 or else I would jump right on it. I would like something that will match the barrel after I have it blasted.

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/v...=5&idproduct=7

dude thats $100 just for a media blasted DNTC. I would just get the regular FSC30 for that price then..

Why not ask that company get or make a media blasted FSC30 for you? It will probably cost you a little more for them to procure one for you.

[bwiese]

How come you guys went with the Noveske? I just ordered an Aero stripped lower for $100 less than the Noveske. From my research, there didn't seem to be enough of a difference between Aero and Noveske to warrant spending $100 more on the Noveske.

Maybe I missed something? Am I going to have buyer's regrets?

Bulgron,

NO.

In the 223/5.56 world, all AR lowers are just about identical (saving Vulcan and the speciality carbon-fiber Bushmaster receiver).

Things are not so settled in the 308 AR world - with rifle designs falling into several "design camps", using differing uppers.

Armalite/Noveske/Aero/Aircraft Armament receivers fall into the same camp, with DPMS/Fulton (and for all I know, POF) falling into another.
The Bushmaster 308 design failed, was (re)acquired by Rock River Arms
and seems to be vaporware (Armalite engineering bulletin describes the problems in an AR rifle design using FAL magazines.) Most all of these rifles won't take Armalite AR10 uppers/mags. There's also the Knight's design camp (which differs from Armalite too.)

[The Vulcan AR10 lower, while crude, seems to be mangleable with a Dremel and folks actually have working Armalite-compatible rifles with them.]

Armalite AR10 is a 'listed' receiver and is legally unobtanium in California.
The Noveske/Aero/Aircraft Armament receivers will all serve you equally well and you can build a reliable, accurate Armalite-compatible rifle with any of them: the lower doesn't do much work.

Noveske seems to have a relationship w/Armalite plus has a 'cool' name on its own. Rumor abounds that Armalite 'likes' them to sell into CA (i.e, so Armalite uppers come in too). Armalite is friendly toward Californians and has watched the OLL stuff take off. For a variety of marketing reasons they don't want to change their numbering system.

Your next step is to get a lower parts kit for your receiver (some few parts will be different than on a 5.56) and to get an Armalite upper.

Be glad you chose the Armalite system - as opposed to those of the newbies; that architecture has been around for much longer time (early 90s), with some real engineering background I don't think the other small vendors have. Armalite also seems to be the only 308 AR vendor supplying chrome-lined barrels.

If you have any questions about your 308 build please PM me: I'd also be glad to help you debug at the rnage since I have a full Armalite AR10-A2 (registered AW) so in worst case we can swap uppers, etc. for testing.

[dawson8r]

Can anyone point me in the direction AR10 drop in trigger threads? I am looking at the Timney which makes an AR10-specific trigger and Chip McCormick Super Match Flat which is AR15. I know the McCormick will fit in the AR10 but heard something about the hammer spring not being hard enough for some commercial and mil-surp 7.62Nato causing misfire.

Thanks!

[trinydex]

Be glad you chose the Armalite system - as opposed to those of the newbies; that architecture has been around for much longer time (early 90s), with some real engineering background I don't think the other small vendors have. Armalite also seems to be the only 308 AR vendor supplying chrome-lined barrels.

how much are the magazines these days? is it easy to get 10 rounders? do you prefer to modify 20s yourself? because some of the prices on the 20s are less than those on the 10s. i also read on here that the 10s are hard to come by or something.