The Best Bullet Button Design, Period!

[glock_this]

This has always been my preferred setup.. The Freelock

When in CA, screw in red BB nub. When out of CA, unscrew red BB nub. 5 turns in and you have CA compliant BB and 5 turns out and you have a free state mag release. All in 1 unit. And I carry the screw tool in the handle of my weapon.

[8mmFMJ]

This has always been my preferred setup.. The Freelock

When in CA, screw in red BB nub. When out of CA, unscrew red BB nub. 5 turns in and you have CA compliant BB and 5 turns out and you have a free state mag release. All in 1 unit. And I carry the screw tool in the handle of my weapon.

RADDLOCK does the same thing but with any flathead screwdriver and without the need for that red button. I'd lose that tool.

[glock_this]

The same is achieved in the end. 1 tool, a few turns, full mag button usage. Ok, you might be able to argue that the "tool" matters a flathead screwdriver is easier to find. Ok. But both need a tool.

As for the entire mag button moving, or just the red button moving, it is of no concern or difference to me. The finger placement actuates either so..

BTW, a Raddlock is like $35 and this setup is like $20 for the freelock w/ a BB.

ps - doesn't a raddlock actually require 2 tools to setup and use? A hex and a flathead? Whereas a BB + freelock is 1 tool.

[Waffleobill]

ps - doesn't a raddlock actually require 2 tools to setup and use? A hex and a flathead? Whereas a BB + freelock is 1 tool.

Yes, you need the hex and flat head to install.

You only need a flat head to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back.

[glock_this]

Yes, you need the hex and flat head to install.

You only need a flat head to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back.

And I need no tool to install, and 1 tool to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back.

Either way, this is the setup I roll with and it works awesome.

Now I will give 1 more point as to why I like my setup over the raddlock that kind of negates this whole transition "tool" concept to convert from Komifornia to freedom and back... ready.... as it turns out, that red inner freelock button you can turn with your finger enough that you can recess the freelock button into the BB and not make it actuatable. There is enough fatty tissue and skin to do this. So no way to drop a mag unless you have the obligatory BB tool as is required by law (I only use the ubbt.net tool). Then, you can reverse the process with your finger. So... no separate physical tool needed per se to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back. I have a tool, I keep it in my grip storage, but over years of doing it, I have found the above to be the case.

[89LT1]

so you can convert from ca to free state mode without a tool? that sounds like a huge no no.

i get that it would only work like this if you converted it without a tool in the first place but that sounds like ammo for someone who doesnt want you to have your weapon and is looking for a reason to take it away.

[glock_this]

I have a tool, at all times, it is in the grip storage.

Is there a law that says a tool needs to be used to convert a BB device between free state setup and CA setup? Not that I know of.

There is a law that says we have to use a "tool" to drop a mag in CA. And I have those on all mags: ubbt.net

And further... I mostly use one of these conversion "tools" - the Wonder Wrench - more than the Freelock tool. I have Freelock tools, but I found I like this smaller Wonder Wrench better

[89LT1]

i'm not trying to argue i'm just curious about the freelock. I use all kinds standard BB, Cal15-BS http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=187300 to my own designs.

As you stated the law says that we HAVE to use a tool to drop a mag in ca. But if you can convert to out of state without a tool then drop the mag without a tool then by my logic that seems like it violates the law, no? You can theoretically drop a mag without a tool.

[golfish]

This has always been my preferred setup.. The Freelock

When in CA, screw in red BB nub. When out of CA, unscrew red BB nub. 5 turns in and you have CA compliant BB and 5 turns out and you have a free state mag release. All in 1 unit. And I carry the screw tool in the handle of my weapon.

Glock_this, where did you get that mag lock tool, the longer one shown in the picture? That's sure would make life easier for us\me old guys who can't see worth a darn and has the shakes..Thanks

Got it Brother, thanks for sharing.

Thanks, golfish. How do I know when to stop tightening it? Do I just crank it snug or is there a stopping point?

You'll know when you set it up and run a few mags. On some of them you don't want to get it too tight or the mag wont release, too loose and things are flopping around. Don't use the BLUE Loctite until you have it set right.

[unusedusername]

And I need no tool to install, and 1 tool to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back.

Either way, this is the setup I roll with and it works awesome.

Now I will give 1 more point as to why I like my setup over the raddlock that kind of negates this whole transition "tool" concept to convert from Komifornia to freedom and back... ready.... as it turns out, that red inner freelock button you can turn with your finger enough that you can recess the freelock button into the BB and not make it actuatable. There is enough fatty tissue and skin to do this. So no way to drop a mag unless you have the obligatory BB tool as is required by law (I only use the ubbt.net tool). Then, you can reverse the process with your finger. So... no separate physical tool needed per se to transition from Komifornia to freedom and back. I have a tool, I keep it in my grip storage, but over years of doing it, I have found the above to be the case.

As described, this would not be legal in CA.

The process to remove a magazine must involve a tool. If the process is "twist this with the tip of your finger then press on it" then you can remove the mag without a tool and it isn't a real maglock. It must be impossible to remove the mag with your bare hands without breaking the mechanism.

A few other vendors have tried over the years to invent new BB designs that can be transitioned without a tool, and those are not on the market or in folks guns for the same reason.

[Edvil91]

I bought one of these a few months ago. I like it way better than my original bullet button for a few reasons. 1) ease of use/functionality. 2) It's less intrusive - it sticks out less. 3) It just looks better.
Just my humble .02....

Glad you tired it out and liked it! Surprised this thread was still going...

[RifleTailor]

I have to chime in here. There are a lot of posts about the Free Lock and Radd Lock claiming how great they are for Californians. I completely disagree with these assessments, unless you travel out of state, or live out of state and travel into the state of California to shoot FREQUENTLY.

I travel to gun shows around the State every weekend to sell my Advanced Speed Funnel Maglock kits, and the rail mounted quick release tools (The Tool), and I get at least 1 guy per show who comes up to me a tells he his horror story about how he got caught with his bullet button in a configuration that allowed them to release a magazine without the use of a tool. Their stories are the same every time, they either get kicked out of the shooting range, or they get arrested, prosecuted, and plead out for a misdemeanor and loose their gun rights for 3 years while they are on probation. Not one of them said it was worth it.

In my opinion, The Free Lock, and Raddlock are marginal, at best, if you shoot in the state of California. In their CA legal configurations (which they must be in if your rifle is within the boarders of CA) the access hole to the mag catch on these bullet button designs are very restrictive and don't allow you to effectively compete, train, or just in general release magazines quickly and efficiently with out running afoul of the law.

My Advanced Speed Funnel Maglock kit, and rail mounted quick release tool (The Tool) keep you compliant with the law, and they allow you to release magazines quickly and efficiently on your AR platform while you are in or out of the state of California. The Advanced Speed Funnel Maglock kit comes with a glove tool that you can use to modify your shooting glove to take full advantage of the speed funnel. Alternatively, you can use The Tool to release magazines quickly and efficiently if you prefer not to use the glove. You can check out a video demonstration of how they work here).

If you shoot IN the state of California, use the advanced Speed Funnel Maglock and/or The Tool to release your magazines, the kits are engineered to maximize magazine change out efficiency IN and OUT the state of California, and not just out of it, like the other designs.

As always, stay safe, and stay legal!

[penguinofsleep]

interesting product. not bad at $16 either.