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  • motorhead
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 3409

    who was looking for pump ak?

    conversion parts are for sale on the "files". seller is +1, i've bought stuff from him before. ca is the only place these sell.
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  • #2
    offrdmania
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 4035

    I think the guy was looking for the whole rifle if I recall
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    • #3
      5hundo
      Banned
      • Jun 2008
      • 2210

      I don't see the attraction to those PAR-3 rifles...

      Why not get a Saiga or build up an OLL?

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      • #4
        andrewj
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2589

        Can these PAR-1 pumps be legally converted to semi auto?
        I know I will need a mag lock or MonsterMan but I just want to know if I can modify it in the first place.
        Last edited by andrewj; 10-27-2008, 12:12 AM.
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        • #5
          JeffM
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 4359

          Originally posted by andrewjarvi
          Can these PAR-1 pumps be legally converted to semi auto?
          I know I will need a mag lock or MonsterMan but I just want to know if I can modify it in the first place.
          Yes, it can be done.

          The receivers and many of the parts are the same as any other AKM.

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          • #6
            andrewj
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2589

            Originally posted by JeffM
            Yes, it can be done.

            The receivers and many of the parts are the same as any other AKM.
            I know it can be done, I know how to do it, I know what parts to use, and I know how to make it CA compliant.

            I just need to know if modifiying this gun to operate as a semi auto is legal in the first place.

            I need a straight yes or no answer. Anyone?
            Last edited by andrewj; 10-27-2008, 12:45 AM.
            Dear California,
            I love you. I was born and raised in you. You have given me some of the best times of my life. Now with that said, I can not wait to move!
            Your prisoner,
            Andrew J.

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            • #7
              69Mach1
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              • Jan 2006
              • 15032

              Originally posted by andrewjarvi
              I know it can be done, I know how to do it, I know what parts to use, and I know how to make it CA compliant.

              I just need to know if modifiying this gun to operate as a semi auto is legal in the first place.

              I need a straight yes or no answer. Anyone?
              There is no law prohibiting it, but since it's a Romanian import you will have to make it 922r compliant when you convert it to semi-auto.
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              • #8
                JeffM
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 4359

                Originally posted by andrewjarvi
                I know it can be done, I know how to do it, I know what parts to use, and I know how to make it CA compliant.

                I just need to know if modifiying this gun to operate as a semi auto is legal in the first place.

                I need a straight yes or no answer. Anyone?
                If it meets the above requirements, as well as 922r, then yes it's legal.

                There are no laws that I am aware of that prohibit the conversion of a single shot/bolt/pump rifle into a semi-auto.

                In fact, people are doing just that to get around the CA handgun roster with AK/AR and other pistols.

                So yea, it's legal.

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                • #9
                  andrewj
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2589

                  OK cool.

                  and the 922r compliance nonsense requires me to replace enough foreign-made parts with American-made parts to make it legal, right?
                  Dear California,
                  I love you. I was born and raised in you. You have given me some of the best times of my life. Now with that said, I can not wait to move!
                  Your prisoner,
                  Andrew J.

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                  • #10
                    JeffM
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 4359

                    Originally posted by andrewjarvi
                    OK cool.

                    and the 922r compliance nonsense requires me to replace enough foreign-made parts with American-made parts to make it legal, right?
                    Yep. An AK has 16 parts, as identified by the BATF. To be 922r compliant it can only have 10 or less imported parts. Remove 6 parts or replace with US made parts to comply. There's lots of info about 922r out there on the web, especially regarding AK style rifles.

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                    • #11
                      69Mach1
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                      • Jan 2006
                      • 15032

                      Originally posted by andrewjarvi
                      OK cool.

                      and the 922r compliance nonsense requires me to replace enough foreign-made parts with American-made parts to make it legal, right?
                      Yes. There are 16 parts that make up an AK. Replace 6 with US made parts.
                      1. Receiver
                      2. Trunion
                      3. Barrel
                      4. Bolt Carrier
                      5. Bolt
                      6. Gas Pistol
                      7. Trigger
                      8. Disconnector
                      9. Hammer
                      10. Muzzle brake/flash suppressor
                      11. Magazine body
                      12. Magazine floorplate
                      13. Magazine follower
                      14. Butt stock
                      15. Pistol grip
                      16. Forend handguards
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                      • #12
                        andrewj
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2589

                        Whats the purpose of that? To help our economy on a completely minor level? Or just to put a speedbump in my path towards building my rifle?

                        Im probably wasting my breath; Im asking if there is logic in our laws. :-P
                        Dear California,
                        I love you. I was born and raised in you. You have given me some of the best times of my life. Now with that said, I can not wait to move!
                        Your prisoner,
                        Andrew J.

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                        • #13
                          motorhead
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3409

                          it's a variance in the fed. law that prohibits assembling military rifles from foreign parts. if you read 922(all) it makes building illegal, (r) is the exception that makes it legal.
                          we recently had someone post on the akfiles that building had been outlawed, citing 922. he refused to see how 922(r) negates all that. kind of like the "tool needed" mag lock argument. if they believe the fud, heart and soul, how can you dissuade them with logic and reason? it does make tidy profits for tapco though.
                          Last edited by motorhead; 10-27-2008, 9:44 AM.
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                          • #14
                            5hundo
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 2210

                            Originally posted by JeffM
                            Yep. An AK has 16 parts, as identified by the BATF. To be 922r compliant it can only have 10 or less imported parts. Remove 6 parts or replace with US made parts to comply. There's lots of info about 922r out there on the web, especially regarding AK style rifles.
                            I have a question about this.

                            In regards to my BWK-92, does 922r apply to me? It was a factory built Norinco, so all parts are chinese, I assume. Should I switch some stuff out?

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                            • #15
                              BigKevLA
                              Member
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 297

                              You would need to find one prety cheap to make it feasible. The only thing you will want to keep is the receiver.
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