How does the AR/M16 FTG work?

[PIRATE14]

It's a TRAP..............

[ar15barrels]

It's a TRAP..............

[TonyM]

He is aware. We've been talking in another thread about registered receiver MG's, Registered Drop In Auto Sears, and Lightning Links for when he moves to NV.

Cool, you never know. It doesn't help that the laws are deliberately confusing.

[Steve O]

here's the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ui288P4pGU

wow that is a nice vid! Thanks a lot that answers all my questions.

See the confusing part is I believe, in the video they mention that the hammer is released form the cocked position by the "nose of the trigger" in semi auto mode.

Well form what I have been hearing is the "Nose of the trigger" being referred to as the "sear"

Is this correct? Or am I wrong?

[ar15barrels]

Well form what I have been hearing is the "Nose of the trigger" being referred to as the "sear"

In semi-auto, there really is no seperate "sear" like in some guns.
There are "sear surfaces" on the hammer and trigger though.

[Steve O]

Steve O,

Just to be clear, you are aware that you can't legally make one of you OLL Full Auto and that there is a date restriction on machine guns, right?

Ohh yes! lol.

I've been chatting about FFL/NFA restrictions, and legal forms and such on my thread here.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1598385#post1598385

See that all started when I was looking for property in NV. The real-estate agent said the property was a nice location for toys, when I inquired about "toys" he went on to mention that he and his wife were both owners of M16 and explained to me that "if you are a square citizen, with no criminal convictions, you can buy a legal machine gun!" I was astonished!

I'm CA native, and like most people born an raised in California by hippie parents, I was thought that machine guns kill people, and that they are illegal!
But sense then I have come to realize that with the current political situation, gun rights may soon be infringed upon again. I would have never thought of my self as wanting a AW or MG, but when they went off the shelf's under Clinton, I became aware that the ban creates the demand!

And after studying the situation I realize that MG's are commodities, limited in numbers, and soon they could be worth a whole lot more!

I figure in the future, my classic cars won't run on junk gas, and machine guns will be triple what they are right now!
So I'm selling my classic cars, and trading them for legal machine guns. lol. This is after I complete my move to a free state!

[Steve O]

Cool, you never know. It doesn't help that the laws are deliberately confusing.

Yea tell me about it!

The laws are so bad, I assumed all those on other boards talking about machine guns, lighting links, and auto sears were all a bunch of criminals.

I was afraid to ask them about any of the laws, but here on this board, I've been reading for quite some time now, and everyone here seems informative and lawful.

All around a good community, and I appreciate everyones help!

[Steve O]

In semi-auto, there really is no seperate "sear" like in some guns.
There are "sear surfaces" on the hammer and trigger though.

yea, and i kept getting confused when someone would mention the "sear" in the semi-auto, because I related the sear as in "auto sear" in a conversion, or m16 and that spooked me!. lol.

[DDRH]

3 round burst freaking sucks and the burst ratchet/sear mechanism makes the trigger pull of the M16 terrible.

Its a stupid feature that was only implemented because the bean counters in charge didn't want Soldiers and Marines wasting ammo and didn't want to spend the time and money training them to effectively fire controlled short bursts.

That's a bummer...well i've never tried so i can't say...i like the idea though. I've also heard the 3rnd Burst on the HK G3 is a much better design than the M16...true??

[ke6guj]

I've also heard the 3rnd Burst on the HK G3 is a much better design than the M16...true??

I've heard that as well. Something about the M16's burst cam not resetting back to "zero" after you pull the trigger and do a partial burst. So, if you were quick on the trigger and did a 2-round burst, you next burst would only be 1-round, because 2 + 1 = 3, and you just "finished" the 3-round burst. Have to pull the trigger again for a new burst.

Other designs reset the burst mechanism so that every time you release the trigger, you will always have a full burst available, no matter how many shots happened on the last burst.

[DDRH]

I've heard that as well. Something about the M16's burst cam not resetting back to "zero" after you pull the trigger and do a partial burst. So, if you were quick on the trigger and did a 2-round burst, you next burst would only be 1-round, because 2 + 1 = 3, and you just "finished" the 3-round burst. Have to pull the trigger again for a new burst.

Other designs reset the burst mechanism so that every time you release the trigger, you will always have a full burst available, no matter how many shots happened on the last burst.

Yes, that's what i've heard also...kinda wish M16's had that.

3 round burst freaking sucks and the burst ratchet/sear mechanism makes the trigger pull of the M16 terrible.

Its a stupid feature that was only implemented because the bean counters in charge didn't want Soldiers and Marines wasting ammo and didn't want to spend the time and money training them to effectively fire controlled short bursts.

Can you explain how the trigger is "terrible"? is the trigger pull heavier/lighter?

My AR trigger feels pretty heavy, but there's a crisp break.

I'm still very new to firearms...so not much experience with trigger feel.

how does it compare to a 2 stage trigger?

do M16's have single stage triggers? or will the military use 2stage triggers? or only 2 stage triggers used for accuracy type rifles...ie sniper rifles...or i think SPR type rifles? i think...

thanks for any info.

[6172crew]

When I moved to NV from CA the first thing I did was SBR a Ps90, the second one was a Mini Uzi and 2 silencers, then the M16 RR.

If you want to know how it works or if you have questions about anything just ask me...been there done that.

In NV your DL gets handed to you the same day so you are ready to buy firearms the same day you give up your CA DL.

There is no $200 stamp when a NFA item is transfered from dealer to dealer but if you buy a NFA item from a PP guy in another state you will have to do 2 transfers, One to your dealer then one to you.

If you buy C&R NFA and you have the C&R you dont go through a FFL.(if the item is in the same state). If you ae making a SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, Silencer you dont have to go through a FFL, these are done on a Form1 which you are the manufacture (my Ps90 has my name engraved on the side).

The stamp(it really is a stamp btw) doesnt have to be with you and a copy of it should be with you title 2 stuff but you dont have to show it to anyone cept the tax guys.

On a side note after I got the FA Uzi I walked up to the firing line and let loose a 32 round mag dump hoping some guy would run over and ask me if the Uzi was legal but 2k rounds plus and not even one person has blinked an eye when I go to the Carson dumps with my title 2 toys.

About the only thing I had was when I was shooting my SPR with a can on it and a guy walked over and said "man that silencer really works well doesnt it"

The M16 is the most desired machine gun right now because of the multi cal platform, the only real factory M16s were done by Colt and the rest were converted by someone else. I have a Frankford Ar. RR because that was what I could afford.

[ke6guj]

If you buy C&R NFA and you have the C&R you dont go through a FFL.(if the item is in the same state).

Actually, even if the C&R NFA item is out of state, it doesn't have to go through an FFL if you are an C&R FFL and can be received directly to you. That is because YOU are the FFL. However, be aware that C&R NFA stuff has an extra premium because of this fact, and that some states only allow NFA ownership of C&R MGs. So, those guys are willing to pay extra to get it.

[trinydex]

here's the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ui288P4pGU

wow that's really well done. surprised there isn't something like that that is updated with 3d models on youtube. there's only a very short snippet of one, but no explanations.