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  • Domingo
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 1297

    AR15 short stroking?

    I took mine new ar to the range, and was firing a round, ejecting but not loading the next round also did not lock the bolt back on the last round.
    I been researching and all I come out with that the riffle is under gas or weak ammo. the empties were landing about 5 feet away at about 3 O'clock. the ammo I was using was some of my reloads so it could have been them. (they have cycle my S&W ar15 fine).I'm going to head back later on the week and try some factory ammo.
    If the gun is over gas, could that cause failure to lock back. or is it more under gas.
    the riffle
    is Aero lower
    upper PSA carbine gas 16" barrel
  • #2
    m16
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 2527

    Lube it up and keep shooting it, maybe try a lighter buffer.
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    • #3
      Domingo
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 1297

      its got a carbine buffer 3oz

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      • #4
        kcheung2
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 4387

        what's the charge on your reloads?
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        • #5
          TruEdge
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 1672

          Adjustable gas block should also do the trick.
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          • #6
            Tac driver
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 1077

            Originally posted by kcheung2
            what's the charge on your reloads?
            This.......more specifically what is your exact load data? Though a carbine gassed 16" barrel should have enough dwell to cycle a wide variety of ammo. Possible gas block miss alignment issue?
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            • #7
              Tac driver
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 1077

              Oh wait it's a psa upper and they never mess up!
              Last edited by Tac driver; 10-06-2014, 10:42 PM.
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              • #8
                Domingo
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 1297

                What's the size of the gas hole on the barrel should be?

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                • #9
                  Mail Clerk
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2324

                  Originally posted by Domingo
                  I took mine new ar to the range, and was firing a round, ejecting but not loading the next round also did not lock the bolt back on the last round.
                  I been researching and all I come out with that the riffle is under gas or weak ammo. the empties were landing about 5 feet away at about 3 O'clock. the ammo I was using was some of my reloads so it could have been them. (they have cycle my S&W ar15 fine).I'm going to head back later on the week and try some factory ammo.
                  If the gun is over gas, could that cause failure to lock back. or is it more under gas.
                  the riffle
                  is Aero lower
                  upper PSA carbine gas 16" barrel
                  Domingo,

                  I had the same issue with one of my AR's and out of disgust I swaped out the entire BCG assembly for another and it began to work properly! My guess is that the bolt portion isn't locking up fully in battery. Try that route and see what happens.

                  Mail Clerk

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                  • #10
                    rdmax
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 286

                    I had a no name brand buffer tube installed that was causing your same issue with the bolt not locking back. I measured the inside length of the tube, compared it with a name brand (mil-spec verified) buffer tube and found to my surprise, internal tube length was a little shorter. Once I replaced it, with a known mil spec buffer tube, the bolt locked back fine.

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                    • #11
                      Domingo
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 1297

                      Update took gun out this morning and it ran trows brass at 4 o'clock
                      I clean the bolt, the chamber and used grease on the BCG. Also lubed the recoil spring.
                      What ever I did it help
                      Thank you all

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                      • #12
                        Mr.1904
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 3310

                        AR15 short stroking?

                        Short stroking in an AR-15 is usually attributed to undergassing. And either out of spec gas port on your barrel, gas block, or an out of spec gas block hole (in the sense it does not line up with the gas port). But can also be caused by having the wrong buffer, buffer spring (check .308), or out of spec buffer tube.

                        I have also seen many more spec issues with homebuilt lowers that would leave most seasoned gun smiths and armorers perplexed. But with both main components being name brand i won't get into those.

                        If you were to buy that stuff from a store and were to take it back they'd immediately point to your reloads. But it could be a compound effort of a few different things to create the problem. I.e is the gun broken in? Was it properly lubricated? Do you have an in spec bcg?

                        Oh, and the magazines. Check and shoot all of your mags. If it runs with one, and not the other, it could be a mag issue or a mag depth issue (mag catch slot not drilled in the right place).

                        Food for thought.
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                        • #13
                          Mr.1904
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 3310

                          Originally posted by Domingo
                          Update took gun out this morning and it ran trows brass at 4 o'clock
                          I clean the bolt, the chamber and used grease on the BCG. Also lubed the recoil spring.
                          What ever I did it help
                          Thank you all

                          Awesome. Good to hear. Sounds like it was just breaking itself in.
                          "Then there are sheepdogs. The sheepdogs are the bastions of safety. The sheepdog lives solely to protect the flock and confront the wolf. They live for the opportunity to be called to duty to protect the innocent. The sheepdog has fangs and the propensity for violence but hopes that he will not have to resort to it. However, he lives for that day when he will be able to use his warrior skills and mindset to keep the wolf from harming the sheep."

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                          • #14
                            supermario
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 4569

                            Anytime I have issues, I immediately swap out the bolt carrier group and see it if works from there. Then swap lowers. And just keep going with the process of elimination.

                            So far it has been the bolt carrier group each time.

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                            • #15
                              golfish
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 10089

                              check the gas port size. I had the same problem on my pistol, drilled it out 1/32 more and it runs like a champ. Might drill it out a bit more to see if it helps running Tula..
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