Seeking advice on DPMS & MP5 - got conflicting info

[panther308]

I've been getting ready to move to CA.
Asked questions on forums, even spoke to some gun range reps in South Bay area.
I am getting conflicting information about my rifles that I want to bring into CA.
Looked at the 'chart' (why one would need 3 pages to determine if anything is legal is a whole different discussion - but so be it).
The chart asks several flow chart style questions. The way I interpret it is:
1. Not registered in CA before ban (bringing it into CA with me)
2. It is an AR style rifle (open to interpretation but IMO yes - LR-308)
3. It is in appendix B (DPMS Panther LR-308)
result: violated 30510 a.

For the HK MP-5 SD (.22LR), I read:
1. Not registered in CA before ban
2. Not AR/AK style
3. Barrel longer than 16" (16.1 per spec)
4. Not listed in Appendix A
5. Not chambered in .50BMG (.22LR)
6. It is less than 30 " if collapse stock
Result: violates 30510 a again.

Seems like after going through the chart, all arrows lead to the same 'illegal' box...lol.

Now, I asked the gun range person when speaking to them, and they said that as long as it has a bullet button installed, and magazine is 10 rounds or less, and no flash hiders/suppressors are hanging off the barrel, and barrel is not SBR, that I am OK.

I wanted to verify with you fine folks. Last thing I want to do is do something illegal, but this fine state sure makes it hard to be legal with firearms.

If you can please look at each of my rifles' pics and comment on legal/not and if can be made legal (if yes, what I would have to do).

My LR-308 in attachment (the barrel has compensator/muzzle break, not a flash hider - made by Vais Arms, in TX).
My HK MP5 .22LR identical to one in link HERE
O yeah, going to reside either in N. San Jose or Milpitas.

Really, really appreciate it.

[REDdawn6]

Your AR15 lower is banned by Name. Get a different lower before you get to CA. Assemble in to an off list lower, add a bullet button or go featureless. BLOCK or leave your 10+ mags out of state. Can use mags blocks or rivet. Leave your DPMS lower out of state or sell to fund the new one. Welcome to CG

[emtmark]

How you block the mags is up for constant debate, search for relevant threads and get edumacated welcome to the front lines.

[SloChicken]

mp5-22 should be fine. It is rimfire which takes it out of the AW chart (see first box and title).

The Panther, not very sensibly cannot cross the wall into KommieFornistan, as, like you noted is listed in cat B.

You could buy another lower for it and ad a Bullet Button to it or make it featureless, and then bring it along, as the lower is the identifying characteristic that makes it evil (it say DPMS Panther on the side - eek !!!).

So get a different, complying lower and a BB and you are good with the 30cal too.

Welcome to CA,and my condolences for your loss

[thetaxman]

As the MP-5 clone is rimfire the OAL minimum is 26" as per Federal. The flow chart primarily deals with center-fire rifles.

[REDdawn6]

OAL on your .22lr is 26" , I believe. Someone else will chime in and give you better info.

[tacticalcity]

As others have said, the flow chart does not apply to your 22lr Mp5 clone because it is rimfire and not centerfire.

I am not certain what rules/restrictions apply to the 22lr because I have never gone there. But you can do a lot more with them than you can a centerfire rifle.

If you are having OVERALL LENGTH ISSUES as others have hinted might be an issue, you can always "pin" the stock so it does not collapse and add a fake barrel shroud (fake suppressor) if needed. Or you could put a fixed stock on it. So you are not going to have to leave that one behind. Here is a link to info on pinning an MP5 A3 sliding stock: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=898852. Of course, I am not sure any of that is actually needed. We need a legal expert like Bill Wiese to way in.

As for your LR-308...sadly your lower has to stay behind. But you can keep the rest. There are a lot of CA legal DPMS compatible lowers out there. CMMG makes a good one. Slap a bullet button on it, and you are legal. You should be able to salvage most your lower parts from your existing rifle without damaging the lower. Then you can either sell the LR-308 lower on Gunbroker.com, transfer it to a friend or relative in a free state, or stick it in (secured) storage.

As for blocking off your magazines, try a company called http://www.magazineblocks.com/magent...kits/ar10.html. Not sure if your brand of magazine is there. You can always contact them and ask for advice/help.

[panther308]

my MP5 .22LR details from Walther site:
SPEC:
- OAL (full extended): 860mm = 33"
- OAL (retracted): 680mm = 26"

Does this mean I have to fix the stock in full extended position permanently to have in CA? Will be easy to do once I know if necessary.

About the DPMS...serious? If has Panther on it, makes it assault? What a stupid way of looking at firearms (...you guys let Pelosi make this one, didn'cha ).
So the only way to make the DPMS legal here is NOT to bring the lower in?

I really wanted to PM one of you to talk offline if possible.

[sunborder]

Pelosi didn't write the law as-is. They wrote the law originally banning AR-pattern weapons, and the courts struck it down as too vague, which made the appendices necessary (banned by name weapons). Eventually some folks here started playing with the letter of the law, and boom! the off-list lower and bullet-button work-arounds came into being.

They were trying to outlaw them all, and we basically pushed them back quite a ways. It was a holding action until Heller, and now we are slowly starting to take back some ground.

[panther308]

The Pelosi thing was a joke, but I welcome the extra info regardless. lol

...pushed them back quite a ways? lol.
I guess I see glass 90% empty and you see the same glass 10% full...lol again.

Joking aside, welcoming any comments and advice to make sure it is all compliant as I am law abiding citizen.

[Quiet]

my MP5 .22LR details from Walther site:
SPEC:
- OAL (full extended): 860mm = 33"
- OAL (retracted): 680mm = 26"

Does this mean I have to fix the stock in full extended position permanently to have in CA? Will be easy to do once I know if necessary.

It meets the overall length requirements.

Nothing needs to be done to make the H&K/Umarex/Walther MP-5SD.22 CA legal.
You just need 10 round magazines for it.

[Quiet]

About the DPMS...serious? If has Panther on it, makes it assault? What a stupid way of looking at firearms (...you guys let Pelosi make this one, didn'cha ).
So the only way to make the DPMS legal here is NOT to bring the lower in?

Yes.

If the receiver is engraved DPMS and Panther, then it is make/model banned in CA. Which means nothing can be done to make it CA legal.

Replace the receiver with an "off-list" (non-make/model banned) receiver and it could be made CA legal.

[Heretodaygonetomorrow]

The new PSA PA-10 .308 Lower is DPMS Compatible, and it costs about $150.