probably a stupid ar pistol quetsion

[ke6guj]

I do have to go out to Piru for work on occasion. could probably make a sidetrip.

[CSACANNONEER]

I do have to go out to Piru for work on occasion. could probably make a sidetrip.

Just let me know in advance.

[OmegaTrader]

A VFG on a pistol does not make it a SBR. It does make it a NFA regulated AOW though.

SBR or AOW. That doesn't matter much, does it? He still gets nailed!!! That's the MAIN POINT.

[CSACANNONEER]

SBR or AOW. That doesn't matter much, does it? He still gets nailed!!! That's the MAIN POINT.

WTF are you talking about? It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE! One is LEGAL IN CA and the other is not. Jack just posted pictures of two of his CA LEGAL AOWs. So, NO ! YOU ARE WRONG. He won't get nailed if he jumps through the proper NFA hoops. Now, if it was classified as a SBR like you incorrectly said it was, it would not be legal in CA without a CA DWP along with the jumping through the proper NFA hoops.

[OmegaTrader]

WTF are you talking about? It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE! One is LEGAL IN CA and the other is not. Jack just posted pictures of two of his CA LEGAL AOWs. So, NO ! YOU ARE WRONG. He won't get nailed if he jumps through the proper NFA hoops. Now, if it was classified as a SBR like you incorrectly said it was, it would not be legal in CA without a CA DWP along with the jumping through the proper NFA hoops.

But he's not going through with any paper works. His question was: If I put on the VFG, is it ok? The answer is NO. Whether that's an AOW or SBR, does it make a difference? No. Had he specified more details, then that's a different story.

[CSACANNONEER]

But he's not going through with any paper works. His question was: If I put on the VFG, is it ok? The answer is NO. Whether that's an AOW or SBR, does it make a difference? No. Had he specified more details, then that's a different story.

Where did he say that? How do you know what he's willing to do? He asked if it was legal and now he knows it can be legal in CA.

[OmegaTrader]

A friend and I were having a discussion about ar pistols and how you cant have a vertical fore grip.

so he asked, "what about a pistol grip mounted on the side of the for end?"

i know it would look ridiculous and probably perform poorly but it begs the question, would that be legal?

Here's the original question. Please point out where does he say he would go forward with all the paper works? Re-read that if you must. I answer the question based on the VERBATIM, not what I think he would or wouldn't do. I don't read people's mind. What he will do isn't my business or that what he PM you is IRRELEVANT to my initial answer. He was looking for a simple answer as I understand. Now if he got intrigued and PM you for more clarifications, that's besides the point.

Where did he say that?

[CSACANNONEER]

"Would that be legal?" Well, the correct answer is "it can be" not "there's no way in hell that it is legal" or whatever you think the answer is. He might or might not want to jump through the NFA hoops but, at least now he knows that it is a option that would make it 110% legal. Anyway, you did not answer the question verbatim because YOU ASSUMED that it was a SBR and you assumed that all SBRs and other NFA items were not legal in CA. Otherwise, you would have known the differences and why they were important. Face it, you answered what you wanted the answer to be and did not even know WTF you were talking about. Again, he asked if it "would be legal" and you just said "NO". That's not necessarily correct because IT WOULD BE LEGAL IF....... BTW, I was wrong. A different member read this thread an PMed me. That's why I deleted that part.

[OmegaTrader]

"Would that be legal?" Well, the correct answer is "it can be" not "there's no way in hell that it is legal" or whatever you think the answer is. He might or might not want to jump through the NFA hoops but, at least now he knows that it is a option that would make it 110% legal. Anyway, you did not answer the question verbatim because YOU ASSUMED that it was a SBR and you assumed that all SBRs and other NFA items were not legal in CA. Otherwise, you would have known the differences and why they were important. Face it, you answered what you wanted the answer to be and did not even know WTF you were talking about. Again, he asked if it "would be legal" and you just said "NO". That's not necessarily correct because IT WOULD BE LEGAL IF....... BTW, I was wrong. A different member read this thread an PMed me. That's why I deleted that part.

You're probably having trouble understanding the MAJOR POINT of the issue here. Would it matter if you're F*CKED by AOW or SBR? Either way, if you stick that thing on your AR pistol, you're F*CKED. Simple as that. You can take it anyway you want. The point of the matter is you're F*CKED. Now, if it makes you feel better that you're F*CKED by AOW. So be it.

[9mmrevolver]

What csa said. Lots of fail in other peoples post

[CSACANNONEER]

You're probably having trouble understanding the MAJOR POINT of the issue here. Would it matter if you're F*CKED by AOW or SBR? Either way, if you stick that thing on your AR pistol, you're F*CKED. Simple as that. You can take it anyway you want. The point of the matter is you're F*CKED. Now, if it makes you feel better that you're F*CKED by AOW. So be it.

Calm down. Again you are wrong. Just look below and see a couple privately owned, CA legal AOWs. If these were SBRs, they would not be legal here with a special CA DOJ approved DWP. But, that's not the case for these NFA registered AOWs. They are Ca legal and no special Ca permits or permission is needed as long as they are legally transferred NFA AOWs. THE MAJOR POINT HERE IS THAT CA RESIDENTS CAN LEGALLY OWN AOWs LIKE THE ONES BELOW without being fornicated. I'm sorry that you don't seem to be capable of understanding this point even though we are trying to help you learn it. You might want to relax and see your doctor before you respond to this. I wouldn't want you to be fornicated by a brain hemorrhage trying to comprehend something that is clearly over your head.

something like these?

[OmegaTrader]

Calm down. Again you are wrong. Just look below and see a couple privately owned, CA legal AOWs. If these were SBRs, they would not be legal here with a special CA DOJ approved DWP. But, that's not the case for these NFA registered AOWs. They are Ca legal and no special Ca permits or permission is needed as long as they are legally transferred NFA AOWs. THE MAJOR POINT HERE IS THAT CA RESIDENTS CAN LEGALLY OWN AOWs LIKE THE ONES BELOW without being fornicated. I'm sorry that you don't seem to be capable of understanding this point even though we are trying to help you learn it. You might want to relax and see your doctor before you respond to this. I wouldn't want you to be fornicated by a brain hemorrhage trying to comprehend something that is clearly over your head.

Actually, I'm pretty calm. All I did was stoop down to your level when trying to talk to you. If you stop using "WTF" as an emphasis to your point, we can have a decent conversation here. Like I said above, the technicalities that you're quoting WAS NOT NEEDED because the OP wasn't asking. He posed a very simply question. He didn't ask for all the messy details of getting an AOW or SBR. Like I said, please read the question again. I think I"ve made my point across. And that is, he will get nailed if he puts that on. Now, you can make a distinction of being nailed by AOW or SBR all you want. The point is he will get nailed if he sticks the VFG on.

[CSACANNONEER]

Actually, I'm pretty calm. All I did was stoop down to your level when trying to talk to you. If you stop using "WTF" as an emphasis to your point, we can have a decent conversation here. Like I said above, the technicalities that you're quoting WAS NOT NEEDED because the OP wasn't asking. He posed a very simply question. He didn't ask for all the messy details of getting an AOW or SBR. Like I said, please read the question again. I think I"ve made my point across. And that is, he will get nailed if he puts that on. Now, you can make a distinction of being nailed by AOW or SBR all you want. The point is he will get nailed if he sticks the VFG on.

The OP didn't specifically ask about NFA stuff probably because he didn't know anything about the NFA registry or NFA items in the first place. If he posted "Is it legal to loan my handgun to someone?" would you just say "No" or, would you tell him it can be if certain conditions apply (HSC, loanie known to him, time constraints, etc.). This question comes up at least once a week and the question gets answered with the proper answer even though the original question did not ask all the specifics. Why? Because the person asking the question doesn't always know all the specifics. That's why he or she is asking in the first place. I guess your right though. The OP here asked a simple question and you gave him a simple but incorrect and incomplete answer based on what you incorrectly thought the answer was. He will not get nailed if he puts a second pistol grip on his handgun IF he jumps through the proper hoops first. Why can't you understand this? Jack has even posted pictures of Ca legal AOWs that he owns in Ca. Is that really too hard of a concept for you to grasp?

[OmegaTrader]

The OP here asked a simple question and you gave him a simple but incorrect...

"Putting a VFG on an AR pistol is a NO..NO" is incorrect?

[CSACANNONEER]

"Putting a VFG on an AR pistol is a NO..NO" is incorrect?

Yes, it is an incomplete/incorrect answer. It can be a No no. However, putting a VFG on an AR pistol is 100% legal in CA if you first get a NFA tax stamp to make said pistol a NFA registered AOW. Please refer to the pictures of CA legal AOW AR pistols with VFGs which have been previously posted in this thread.