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[Guntech]

I have never heard of it being a problem and seeing as the lower is listed, not the upper, you shouldn't have any problems.

[Young Version]

Regardless of whether it's listed or not, you should check out White Oak Armament uppers before you pull the trigger (pun intended ) on a Rock River.

[Lateralus]

Regardless of whether it's listed or not, you should check out White Oak Armament upper before you pull the trigger (pun intended ) on a Rock River.

I have a WOA varminter 24" upper and Ive never looked back.

[asgalindez]

Technically, the LAR-15 is okay to have in CA. The apparent "problem" arises when you plan to put a RRA upper on your LAR-15 lower.

Because Rock River (the brand) is listed by name on the Ban List, it is believed that your LAR-15 OLL with a RRA upper could/would be mistaken for a banned rifle. People are advised to put a non-RRA upper on a LAR-15 to avoid this confusion. This is what I was told when I was looking for a LAR-15 myself.

I would just find a non-RRA upper you like and be done with it. I did the opposite - I put a RRA upper on a Doublestar lower.

You can build a full RRA rifle if you want, but be prepared to catch hell from the uninformed.

ETA: You said your buddy has a 20" RRA upper with no markings. Does it have a flip-up rear sight? My RRA upper has RRA markings that are covered by my flip-up rear sight. I think that's the only place I remember seeing any RRA markings.

[jamesob]

people say that you will run into problems with a rra upper on a rra lower, bullcrap. the rra lower is marked lar15,9 or 8 depending wich one you have. with that being said where would one associate the banned rifles with the legal ones? they can't. people say if you put a m4 or whatever banned model upper on your legal lower you just created a banned aw.this is not true, the lower is the firearm not the upper. i have a rra lower with a rra upper and im not worried a bit.

[Young Version]

I have a WOA varminter 24" upper and Ive never looked back.

I've got a 20" in the mail

[aplinker]

people say that you will run into problems with a rra upper on a rra lower, bullcrap. the rra lower is marked lar15,9 or 8 depending wich one you have. with that being said where would one associate the banned rifles with the legal ones? they can't. people say if you put a m4 or whatever banned model upper on your legal lower you just created a banned aw.this is not true, the lower is the firearm not the upper. i have a rra lower with a rra upper and im not worried a bit.

There are two ways to look at it and you need to consider your comfort level.

I agree that, should it come to it, you should be safe. However, if one were to mate an upper that matches one of the listed rifles there's the potential it could cause more issues than another brand... and could lead to having to fight another Harrot like case.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I disagree with everyone here. If you have a RRA lower and it is in any of these configurations

Standard A-2
Car A2
Standard A-4 Flattop
Car A4 Flattop
NM A2 - DCM Legal
LE Tactical Carbine

then I believe you have an assault weapon on your hands. I wouldn't even risk a RRA lower and any other brand upper that puts it into this configuration.

The only RRA lower and upper combo I would ever do is a varmint gun however! As you can clearly see, the RRA lists do not include anything about a varmint gun.

So you are talking about building the only RRA that I would ever touch because it is not listed.

To build any of the other configurations is just not smart as this is actually a gray enough area, you could spend a lot of money defending it and still lose. With so many other lowers out there, it simply is not worth the risk.

Again, if you are going to build a varmint gun with a varmint upper, you are 100% safe. You still might end up spending some time and money on legal bills if you "win the lottery" (aka the odds of you being a test case are about the same as winning the lottery), but that is what Calguns and the Calguns Foundation are for. Assuming you didn't get busted with 10 lbs of meth at the same time, we would love to have a test case about a RRA varmint gun and we would financially support anyone in that situation. It could potentially over turn all of SB-23.

[CWatson]

I disagree with everyone here. If you have a RRA lower and it is in any of these configurations

The only RRA lower and upper combo I would ever do is a varmint gun however! As you can clearly see, the RRA lists do not include anything about a varmint gun.

So you are talking about building the only RRA that I would ever touch because it is not listed.

How about a RRA lower with a midlength upper?



CW

[tenpercentfirearms]

How about a RRA lower with a midlength upper?
CW

Could you call it a Standard A-4 Flattop? Try it and if you get popped, that might be a really good test case. I wouldn't call it a CAR as it is pretty standard that a CAR Is the carbine length handguard.

There is some room to play on this issue should it ever get challenged, but you need to still be careful. I would not have anything with a RRA lower and what most people would consider those configurations. A mid-length is definitely gray. A carbine length handguard with a 16" barrel with either a flattop or A2 carry handle is not gray in my opinion. Using a RRA upper is definitely troublesome, but using a Stag might be a good test case.

Again, with so many other lowers out there, why take the risk unless you are ready and willing to spend a lot of time and money for the fight?

[c good]

Were the old RRA receivers actually marked "Car A2, Car A4 Flattop, etc"? Or were they marked LAR-15 even then, when the list was created? Thanks for the input so far guys. c good

[CWatson]

Could you call it a Standard A-4 Flattop? Try it and if you get popped, that might be a really good test case. I wouldn't call it a CAR as it is pretty standard that a CAR Is the carbine length handguard.

Again, with so many other lowers out there, why take the risk unless you are ready and willing to spend a lot of time and money for the fight?

I am not planning on building a OLL with a RRA lower, mine are Ameetecs. I was just curious on what parts define the upper in this conversation. You mentioned a varmit upper would be ok but would that complete upper assemply still use a A4 or other named upper? I wonder if caliber would make a difference,9mm ? Barrel length is not mentioned.

Just pondering,
CWatson

[jamesob]

I disagree with everyone here. If you have a RRA lower and it is in any of these configurations

Standard A-2
Car A2
Standard A-4 Flattop
Car A4 Flattop
NM A2 - DCM Legal
LE Tactical Carbine

then I believe you have an assault weapon on your hands. I wouldn't even risk a RRA lower and any other brand upper that puts it into this configuration.

The only RRA lower and upper combo I would ever do is a varmint gun however! As you can clearly see, the RRA lists do not include anything about a varmint gun.

So you are talking about building the only RRA that I would ever touch because it is not listed.

To build any of the other configurations is just not smart as this is actually a gray enough area, you could spend a lot of money defending it and still lose. With so many other lowers out there, it simply is not worth the risk.

Again, if you are going to build a varmint gun with a varmint upper, you are 100% safe. You still might end up spending some time and money on legal bills if you "win the lottery" (aka the odds of you being a test case are about the same as winning the lottery), but that is what Calguns and the Calguns Foundation are for. Assuming you didn't get busted with 10 lbs of meth at the same time, we would love to have a test case about a RRA varmint gun and we would financially support anyone in that situation. It could potentially over turn all of SB-23.

i know what your saying but you know the upper doesn't make the firearm. nowhere on the rifle will it say anything about the banned models. its a lar15 and not
aStandard A-2
Car A2
Standard A-4 Flattop
Car A4 Flattop
NM A2 - DCM Legal
LE Tactical Carbine
even if it was true about the upper, if any other brand of upper was on the rra lower and it was a a2 or a cara4 would also be illegal.

[c good]

Just answered my own question and reply above confirms this. I just got off the phone with RRA directly. They never marked their lowers "Car A2", "Car A4 Flattop" etc. It's been LAR-15 for a long time. Kinda makes me feel a little better. I think it's still prudent to not push it too far. No RRA uppers and lower combos that even slightly resemble the descriptions for me! Interesting thread all. Thanks for the input. c good