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  • wps1999
    Member
    • May 2008
    • 170

    B-15 vs. original BB

    I just put my first OLL together with the use of the B-15 mag lock. My question is: Do you guys think that in the event that I was in a situation where I had to explain the law, the original bullet button might be easier to defend than the B-15 because it seems to be less easily attached? I'm probably just paranoid but i have been considering changing over to the original BB instead of the B-15 for this reason.
    Last edited by wps1999; 08-29-2008, 4:19 PM. Reason: forgot a word
  • #2
    Josh3239
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2006
    • 9197

    No, IMO if you meet a cop who thinks you have an AW it will be more than likely because of make/model of your rifle and not the lock.

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    • #3
      CHS
      Moderator Emeritus
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2008
      • 11338

      Our opinions shouldn't really matter since you're talking about paranoia levels.

      The prince50, BB, and B15 all comply with the letter of the law.

      It's up to you to make a decision based upon your own healthy paranoia level where you stand and which one you feel is the best for you.

      Now, forgetting the paranoia part, here's my opinions on all three:

      Prince50 - Pain for use in California because you have to unhinge your gun to load. Very convenient if you travel often to free states with your firearm, because a few twists of an allen key allows you to have non-crippled use of your gun.

      BB - Very convenient for use inside California. Retains a look close to standard mag buttons. A pain if you travel often to free states and wish to un-cripple your firearm. You would have to completely remove the BB and re-install a normal mag button and spring. And you could be screwed if you lost anything.

      B15 - Best of both worlds. A little bulky and silly looking for California use, but gives you prince50 reversibility if you travel often to free states with your firearm. You could also be screwed if you lost any parts.



      Personally, I run bullet buttons (Not B15's). I like them. *shrug*
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      • #4
        wingfu101
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 7

        B15 all the wayyyyyy!!!!!!
        A gun is a Gun, Treat it with respect!!!!!!

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        • #5
          mikecro1
          Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 240

          ....I think you might have a tougher time explaining why the B-15 wiggles so much on your AR...
          "Watch your six!"

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          • #6
            domokun
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 3525

            Originally posted by bdsmchs
            Our opinions shouldn't really matter since you're talking about paranoia levels.

            The prince50, BB, and B15 all comply with the letter of the law.

            It's up to you to make a decision based upon your own healthy paranoia level where you stand and which one you feel is the best for you.

            Now, forgetting the paranoia part, here's my opinions on all three:

            Prince50 - Pain for use in California because you have to unhinge your gun to load. Very convenient if you travel often to free states with your firearm, because a few twists of an allen key allows you to have non-crippled use of your gun.

            BB - Very convenient for use inside California. Retains a look close to standard mag buttons. A pain if you travel often to free states and wish to un-cripple your firearm. You would have to completely remove the BB and re-install a normal mag button and spring. And you could be screwed if you lost anything.

            B15 - Best of both worlds. A little bulky and silly looking for California use, but gives you prince50 reversibility if you travel often to free states with your firearm. You could also be screwed if you lost any parts.



            Personally, I run bullet buttons (Not B15's). I like them. *shrug*
            One more thing about the Prince50 that you must be aware of is that while in California, it is possible to accidentally manufacture an AW if the set screw for the Prince50 comes loose while using your OLL AR-15. The use of a Bullet Button/B-15 avoids that problem because it always renders your rifle into one that cannot accept detachable magazines while installed as per the many previous discussions on this forum.
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            • #7
              technique
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2008
              • 10639

              Originally posted by domokun
              One more thing about the Prince50 that you must be aware of is that while in California, it is possible to accidentally manufacture an AW if the set screw for the Prince50 comes loose while using your OLL AR-15. The use of a Bullet Button/B-15 avoids that problem because it always renders your rifle into one that cannot accept detachable magazines while installed as per the many previous discussions on this forum.
              +1 agreed!

              Side note, once and only once, I was working on a gun for a customer. I noticed on his BB, the part you screw on to the catch, had backed out almost enough to be able to use the tip of your finger or finger nail to release the the mag. I would estimate that one or two turns more, you might have been able to do so. I didn't check to see if there were enough threads on the mag catch to make that possible, I simply tightened for him.
              Last edited by technique; 08-30-2008, 2:12 PM.
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              • #8
                THE 0NE
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 590

                OGBB ALL THE WAYYYYYY.....

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                • #9
                  aplinker
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 16762

                  your adeptness at explaining the law and showing it's a fixed mag rifle, should the need arise, are all that's going to matter.

                  Beyond that, it's a wash with them all.

                  Both the P50 and BB's have avenues to "accidental" AW - P50 with the setscrew backing out and a newbie slipping a hi-cap in a BB build.

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