Kriss Vector legality stuff

[Matt54]

I'm sure that California would classify an unmodified rifle length Vector as an AW but I'm fuzzy as to why. The text of the AWB refers to a pistol grip as protruding conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. By looking at pictures of the Vector, the grip appears to actually be slightly above and behind the action of the weapon. If the Vector's grip does not qualify as a pistol grip, the limits on detachable magazines would not apply and a bullet button wouldn't be necessary. I think a fixed or pinned stock and fixed barrel extension would meet the overall length requirements. I'm sure there is a fault with my reasoning, but it would be cool if I was right.

[Quiet]

CA legal versions of the KRISS Vector carbine come with a fixed stock, "bullet button" style maglock & a 10 round magazine from the factory.

So, it would seem the manufacturer (KRISS-USA) has deemed it requires a fixed magazine in order to be CA legal.

[CenCalHobbist]

The web of you hand can be positioned below the highest part of the exposed trigger. Its a pistol grip.

[Matt54]

But if the Vector's grip is not a "conspicuously beneath the action" pistol grip, it would not trigger AWB type restrictions. The mag lock could be removed and the weapon put in an out-of-state configuration.

[Quiet]

But if the Vector's grip is not a "conspicuously beneath the action" pistol grip, it would not trigger AWB type restrictions. The mag lock could be removed and the weapon put in an out-of-state configuration.

The manufacturer (KRISS-USA) doesn't seem to think so, which is why they install a maglock for the firearms they sell in the CA civilian market.

[strongpoint]

But if the Vector's grip is not a "conspicuously beneath the action" pistol grip, it would not trigger AWB type restrictions. The mag lock could be removed and the weapon put in an out-of-state configuration.

What you're missing is that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" is not the phrase that defines the term "pistol grip." Rather, the phrase "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" is defined by state regulations.

Quoting 11 CCR 5469(d):

[Matt54]

I knew there was a reason it wouldn't work. I forgot that we can't have nice things in this state.

[Sicarius]

Just because you shoot your rifle upside down does not mean you can discard the bullet button.
Kevin

[dvs762]

this state sucks the dirty sweaty balls of a hobo...on crack..

[Veggie]

Stupid ca laws. I want a free vector.

[Arnelcheeze]

CA legal versions of the KRISS Vector carbine come with a fixed stock, "bullet button" style maglock & a 10 round magazine from the factory.

So, it would seem the manufacturer (KRISS-USA) has deemed it requires a fixed magazine in order to be CA legal.

don't forget the muzzle extension.

[SoCal Gunner]

don't forget the muzzle extension.

Ah, beat me to it. Though I'm pretty sure they made that extension way longer than they needed to.

[daorozco86]

And the shoulder thing

[bulletblood]

Ah, beat me to it. Though I'm pretty sure they made that extension way longer than they needed to.

Not really, it's barely longer than the barrel, maybe a half inch or so.

Someone should come out with a pinky trigger.

[krumyilingy]

The mag lock could be removed and the weapon put in an out-of-state configuration.