300 BLK in California?

[Jasonaspears]

Of the faxon bbls avail, what is the advantage if having a SS bbl?

My head hurt after trying to figure this out

[3006mv]

Faxon is the maker if the arak21 that the op was planning on buying with an extra barrel in 300 blackout. Bbl is short for barrel, SS is short for stainless steel which is a factory option, was wondering what the advantage of a SS bbl would be over the regular steel ones offered.

[caliberetta]

The 300blk was created at a time when 7.62x39 could not reliably be shot through an AR.

In fact, the creator said that "AK ammo only works well on AK's" - at the time he said this in 2011, he was probably right. This is no longer true in 2014. In this day and age, you can put together with relative ease and affordability a 7.62x39 AR with just about the same reliability as you would 5.56AR.

The 7.62x39 round may not be a good idea for the military to adapt on the M16, but for civilians using it on an AR, it's really an awesome round and a relatively easy choice over 300Blk.

They are a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, and can actually be a very serious round over distances with a proper optics (Dimitri of Primary Arms developed a 7.62x39 Optic that would hit steel at 500 yards all day long). Most 7.62x39 AR owners who have properly configured their rifles will agree that it is in fact more fun than a 5.56.
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[Darklyte27]

300blk pistol, went with a Rainier Arms Select™ 300AAC Blackout Barrel - 10.5

shot it once, fun gun but still need to play with it some more. If you have the $ to spend on it why not?
replacing 5.56 no.

[Brave Sir Robin]

You know to all the guys who say unless you have a 9" suppressed setup, 300 BLK is worthless.....shut up. None of these people own one, and therefore none of them should be speaking on the topic.

Now that that is out of the way. Yes, absolutely. Why not add .30 cal semi auto capability and have two very capable cartridges. Not to mention, I just bought 600 rounds of high quality ammo for less than $500. Yeah it aint as cheap as 5.56 but then again 5.56 aint gonna be 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, 110gr Barnes Vortex, or Hornady 150 gr FMJBT either. It's only a matter of time before there are surplus options because this cartridge is gaining a lot of popularity quickly.

Whether or not something is "worth it" is really a judgement call. I like the fact that I can go from 20 cal to 30 cal in about 5 seconds. I like the fact that I have a semi auto hunting round that can easily take small-medium game out to 300 yards now. Yeah the .223 can do the same thing, but this round is much more effective than any 55gr, 62gr, or 75gr round out there. Just search about the praise the 300 is receiving from both deer and wild boar hunters all around the country. So to me its totally worth it regardless of "what it was designed for". By the way, I just received my Primary Arms 1-6x scope with their ACSS reticle and I can't wait to pair it up with my 16" AAC upper.

P.S. This is coming from a guy who owns an AK (fully converted Saiga...AK in my eyes), an AR15 (one of my favorite all time rifles), and the 300 AAC upper. I love all of them equally and all of them are great guns.

[Jasonaspears]

Why not just go with the 150 gr that are more widely available instead?

I figured pulled bullets in bulk might be less expensive for plinking but I'm quickly finding that isn't true these days

[Jasonaspears]

Faxon is the maker if the arak21 that the op was planning on buying with an extra barrel in 300 blackout. Bbl is short for barrel, SS is short for stainless steel which is a factory option, was wondering what the advantage of a SS bbl would be over the regular steel ones offered.

You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I understand now

[Darklyte27]

Oh I just ordered a 16 inch barrel too, why not have a rifle too.

http://www.cmmginc.com/product_p/30df80a.htm

[penguin0123]

You know to all the guys who say unless you have a 9" suppressed setup, 300 BLK is worthless.....shut up. None of these people own one, and therefore none of them should be speaking on the topic.

You're right. I don't own a Chauchat, therefore, I can't say that it is the worst LMG every created.

[Changalang]

With a 150 gr bullet, you can stop a hog on it track within 100 yds. It will be tough to accomplish that with a .223

this! it is a great medium game round.

as for getting 2 barrels for the arak, i would get one in each caliber OP.
the ballistics for .223 are pretty similar at those barrel lengths so theres no point in having a redundant barrel, even if its a bit longer or shorter.
.300 blk is a good round, gaining in popularity and following obviously , and doesnt need a conversion bolt.

[Jasonaspears]

this! it is a great medium game round.

as for getting 2 barrels for the arak, i would get one in each caliber OP.
the ballistics for .223 are pretty similar at those barrel lengths so theres no point in having a redundant barrel, even if its a bit longer or shorter.
.300 blk is a good round, gaining in popularity and following obviously , and doesnt need a conversion bolt.

Much nicer

[John Browning]

You know to all the guys who say unless you have a 9" suppressed setup, 300 BLK is worthless.....shut up. None of these people own one, and therefore none of them should be speaking on the topic.

Now that that is out of the way. Yes, absolutely. Why not add .30 cal semi auto capability and have two very capable cartridges. Not to mention, I just bought 600 rounds of high quality ammo for less than $500. Yeah it aint as cheap as 5.56 but then again 5.56 aint gonna be 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, 110gr Barnes Vortex, or Hornady 150 gr FMJBT either. It's only a matter of time before there are surplus options because this cartridge is gaining a lot of popularity quickly.

Whether or not something is "worth it" is really a judgement call. I like the fact that I can go from 20 cal to 30 cal in about 5 seconds. I like the fact that I have a semi auto hunting round that can easily take small-medium game out to 300 yards now. Yeah the .223 can do the same thing, but this round is much more effective than any 55gr, 62gr, or 75gr round out there. Just search about the praise the 300 is receiving from both deer and wild boar hunters all around the country. So to me its totally worth it regardless of "what it was designed for". By the way, I just received my Primary Arms 1-6x scope with their ACSS reticle and I can't wait to pair it up with my 16" AAC upper.

P.S. This is coming from a guy who owns an AK (fully converted Saiga...AK in my eyes), an AR15 (one of my favorite all time rifles), and the 300 AAC upper. I love all of them equally and all of them are great guns.

I don't own just one .300 AAC, so can my thoughts be valid? I own .300 AAC pistols and a rifle and have an NFA family trust out of state. Am I tier-one enough?

5.56 out of a short barrel is a ballistic turd. You lose ridiculous amounts of velocity and gain inordinate amounts of flash and noise when you go short on a 5.56. The .300 AAC rocks as an SBR and pistol round and in barrels under 14.5in, the .300 AAC is a clear hands down winner over just about anything else in the AR platform in those short set-ups.

.300 AAC in a rifle is kind of an answer in search of a question unless you run a suppressor. Sierra gives the .300 AAC a 100-150 yard effective range for hunting, which is about right. Some of the 110gr bullets will expand out a little farther, but they get ate up by the wind to a much greater degree than a decent sized .224 bullet with a good BC. It doesn't hit like a ton of bricks and honestly on deer sized game and hogs, I'd rather have a 5.56 shooting a 64gr Bonded Nosler Solid Base.

I reload for both calibers in bulk, and the .300 AAC is much more expensive to load for unless you shoot cast subs. Cast subs are cool, but it is basically a .45 ACP round with much better SD and BC.

In short, in a pistol, the .300 is still a better choice even if you cant shoot it suppressed. In a rifle, the 5.56 is better, and the 6.5G/6.8SPC make the .300 look like a poodle-shooter in comparison. It is a fun toy, but in a rifle without a can, it is more internet-hype than reality. There is a reason the .300 Whisper didn't catch on until a full blown marketing campaign by AAC.

[mif_slim]

In short, in a pistol, the .300 is still a better choice even if you cant shoot it suppressed. In a rifle, the 5.56 is better, and the 6.5G/6.8SPC make the .300 look like a poodle-shooter in comparison. It is a fun toy, but in a rifle without a can, it is more internet-hype than reality. There is a reason the .300 Whisper didn't catch on until a full blown marketing campaign by AAC.

Totally agree! I don't know why people compare a sbr purpose build to a full size rifle.

[ArmedCMT]

Since suppressors are not allowed, do you guys still think 300 AAC blackout is a worthwhile round within California?

I personally think it is, BUT I dont know if I'd say its worth replacing 223. I'd like to see what others think before I invest in a new upper.

300 BLK is designed specifically for use with a suppressor, so right off the bat its primary reason for existence is somewhat moot.

That said if you specifically want subsonic ammunition its still an option. Finding it can be a pain and it's not exactly a jaw-dropper performance wise but neither is it a bad cartridge. Honestly it's more taste, I'd go with 6.5 Grendel if I were you.

I am the project lead at AAC on 300 BLK, and I have never heard that we optimized it for a 14 inch barrel for subsonic.

300 AAC Blackout is the longest the case can be and not require modified magazines. So I am not sure how someone can claim it is not optimized for supersonic. It is - provided we made it a requirement to use normal mags. If the case were any longer, it would not be optimal for normal mags.

[Sniper3142]

its pointless to have a 300 black out in california as you already mentioned since we cant have suppressors and cannot have SBR's. if you want to stop something with a 30 cal projectile shoot it with a 7.62x39 from either an ak or ar up to you !

Not exactly correct.

While we can't have suppressors, the 300 AAC Blackout also comes in supersonic loads. And while SBRs aren't possible, we can have an AR Pistol. And as others stated, the accuracy of an AK often leaves much to be desired (as does the 7.62x39 round itself).