Some news on the 300 Blackout..

[Ninety]

http://www.lehighdefense.com/index.php/products

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Expensive ammo and it is a glorified pistol round with a trajectory like a rainbow. But to each his own.

Pretty much my thoughts. Glorified 30 Carbine.

[servo]

Depends...What equipment - single stage? Progressive? New brass? Recycled brass? Cast your own projectiles? Buy your own projectiles?

Honestly I wouldn't know where to start. What I mostly see are claims that it's so much cheaper if you reload, but nobody says how much they're actually saving.

Let's say it's for plinking and not hunting, whatever the main differences are (powders and bullet weight?)... Single stage press, new brass, bought projectiles, misc cutting/burring tools (probably not needed with new brass), etc. I'm not looking for a shopping list, simply what someone else has done and what they're saving by reloading including the cost of equipment.

I don't get the fanboy stigma with 300 blackout either. I built it because I didn't want huge fireballs and shockwaves from a 7.5" barrel drawing attention at the range. It's easy enough to buy a headspaced upper minus BCG and use all my existing parts if I want to swap to 5.56.

[jb octane]

Honestly I wouldn't know where to start. What I mostly see are claims that it's so much cheaper if you reload, but nobody says how much they're actually saving.

Let's say it's for plinking and not hunting, whatever the main differences are (powders and bullet weight?)... Single stage press, new brass, bought projectiles, misc cutting/burring tools (probably not needed with new brass), etc. I'm not looking for a shopping list, simply what someone else has done and what they're saving by reloading including the cost of equipment.

I don't get the fanboy stigma with 300 blackout either. I built it because I didn't want huge fireballs and shockwaves from a 7.5" barrel drawing attention at the range. It's easy enough to buy a headspaced upper minus BCG and use all my existing parts if I want to swap to 5.56.

If you are going cheap you can get almost all the equipment from Lee for about $250. Most people buy more expensive setups because they want to, not because they have to. That can put you at about $.25/round after shipping if you use your own brass and buy bullets. Those are just my numbers from my own experience. Some people here seem to get stuff pretty cheap and/or use more expensive setups.

That puts it at $250 + $.25/round (x) = $.65/round (x) => 625 rounds.

But I also shoot 9mm and .223. My 9mm costs have cut in half and I only had to up my initial fee by $50.

[Zayne85]

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[Pryde]

Honestly I wouldn't know where to start. What I mostly see are claims that it's so much cheaper if you reload, but nobody says how much they're actually saving.

Let's say it's for plinking and not hunting, whatever the main differences are (powders and bullet weight?)... Single stage press, new brass, bought projectiles, misc cutting/burring tools (probably not needed with new brass), etc. I'm not looking for a shopping list, simply what someone else has done and what they're saving by reloading including the cost of equipment.

I don't get the fanboy stigma with 300 blackout either. I built it because I didn't want huge fireballs and shockwaves from a 7.5" barrel drawing attention at the range. It's easy enough to buy a headspaced upper minus BCG and use all my existing parts if I want to swap to 5.56.

.224 55gr bullets are about .10c apiece, I was getting .311 7.62 pulls from hitechammo for the same price and resizing them. Otherwise you are looking at maybe .15c a round of 147gr M80 pulls.

Brass is the same price assuming you are cutting down your own from .223 brass.

Primers are also the same price.

For 8lbs of powder you can reload
2240 rounds of .223 (assuming 25gr per round) which costs about .08c per shot
3500 rounds of .300 blackout (assuming 16gr per round) which costs about .05c per shot
Both figures above are assuming powder is $180 per 8lbs keg.

So basically in summary:
Reloading .300blk is the same price or cheaper then .223 but requires more effort on your part, cutting brass or resizing bullets.

If you are casting your own bullets the savings will be significant, given that you do not have that same option for .223 (you can't shoot cast supersonic)

The big thing for me personally is the fact that .223 powders such as H335 are nearly impossible to find nowadays.

[Germz]

So basically in summary:
Reloading .300blk is the same price or cheaper then .223 but requires more effort on your part, cutting brass or resizing bullets.

If you are casting your own bullets the savings will be significant, given that you do not have that same option for .223 (you can't shoot cast supersonic)

The big thing for me personally is the fact that .223 powders such as H335 are nearly impossible to find nowadays.

WHAT!? Of course you can shoot cast bullets above supersonic speed! In fact in some cases people are pushing CAST bullets upwards of 2400fps+ WITHOUT leading.

Also, check into the reloading forum every now and then, we do our best to notify and update the POWDER IN STOCK thread. Recobs had a bunch of 8# 335 and CFE223 in stock for a few days now.

[servo]

Thanks for the breakdowns. Sounds tempting enough to try considering that's below 22LR prices. Costs aside, it'll at least be a good learning experience.

8# of powder? I thought the legal limit was 1#?

[Javi]

Black powder may be limited to 1lb but not smokeless.

[Darklyte27]

You just crawl out of a cave or something? even I have a AR pistol in 300blk.

[Pryde]

WHAT!? Of course you can shoot cast bullets above supersonic speed! In fact in some cases people are pushing CAST bullets upwards of 2400fps+ WITHOUT leading.

Also, check into the reloading forum every now and then, we do our best to notify and update the POWDER IN STOCK thread. Recobs had a bunch of 8# 335 and CFE223 in stock for a few days now.

I think you missed the point, yes you CAN use cast bullets in a supersonic, but its not really ideal due to the possibility of not only leading your barrel but also your gas system and BCG.

Recobs does not have the above in stock and even if they did it would be $200 with hazmat and shipping. No thanks.

[Jasonaspears]

that is a very old video now.

I love my 300 blackout pistol. I love that it is 3x CHEAPER

How in the world do you load 300Blk for $.07?

[Jarhead]

^^^

ditto, I shoot both the 6.8 and the .300 Blk and like them both ..........also shoot the 7.62X39

all pistol rounds

[Germz]

How in the world do you load 300Blk for $.07?

i "mine" lead from outdoor range berms, so free lead.
i convert .223 brass, so free brass.
Small rifle primers are as cheap as $23.50 per 1000
I paid $110 for 4lbs of AA 1680 (after hazmat fees and shipping)

[Germz]

I think you missed the point, yes you CAN use cast bullets in a supersonic, but its not really ideal due to the possibility of not only leading your barrel but also your gas system and BCG.

I powder coat all my bullets; so no leading occurs. Actually the powder coating "sweeps" the barrel out after every shot, here some I did for my wife's .380: