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  • hks95134
    Banned
    • Feb 2014
    • 959

    Range report on new Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Model 5805

    The Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Model 5808 is a stainless steel and carbon composite semiautomatic carbine, caliber 5.56x45mm, 37.5" overall length, 18.5" barrel length including chamber, 1:9" RH twist, 6.75 lbs unloaded, detachable box magazine fed long gun, priced at $979.00 msr new.



    Mine is matched with a Redfield BattleZone 3-9x42mm scope with the 5.56x45mm elevation dial designed for the 55 grain bullet/cartridge.



    I boresighted and tested my scope mounted on it last weekend and these are my results on a calm clear windless day (see target below). The Ruger mounting system allows me to remove the scope and fire with iron sights whenever I want. Re-mounting the scope then is not hard with the Ruger all-the-way-in mounting system (two screws on the same side).

    Note from the results on the target at 50 and 100 yards, that while the barrel is cold, the groups are very tight, almost 1 MOA.

    As the barrel warms up, the groups spread, out to finally 2 1/2 MOA.

    I was very happy with the results of the rifle and the scope.

    For me this serves as my tier-three defense gun:

    - Tier-one being my 45ACP pistol;
    - Tier-two being my 12 gauge shotgun;
    - Tier-four being my scoped bolt action hunting rifle.

    With this carbine I can quickly engage targets in the 25 to 500 yard range, beyond the range of the shotgun, but less than the range of the scoped bolt action rifle.

    The spread on the groups at various distances and 2.5 MOA with a warm barrel correspond with the following --

    - heart shots at 100 yds;
    - pericardium shots at 200 yds;
    - lung shots at 300 yds and 400 yds; and
    - chest shots at 500 yds.

    I noticed with the factory trigger (quite heavy) that together with proper breathing and trigger squeeze that I can crank off a carefully aimed shot about every 5 to 10 seconds.

    I have trained with the M-14 Rifle, the M-16 Rifle, and the M-1 Garand. Of all these, I like the Ruger Mini 14 best. It has the light recoil of the M-16 / AR-15 combined with the ease of action of the M-14.

    My own 4 gun collection is now complete, with no holes in it. I can do anything with these 4 guns. Over the decades I have owned many more, but I have only kept these 4 as they are the best at what they can do.

    If you are thinking of getting a 5.56x45mm carbine of your own, you can't go wrong with this one combined with this scope.

    If you have experiences of your own, and target data, I would like to hear about it.

    My personal view about carbines is that everyone should own one, and you should buy it after you have a pistol and a short barrel shotgun. After purchasing the carbine, ammo storage is the next most important thing. Once you have all these, you may want to consider a scoped bolt action rifle to enhance your range yet another 500 yards more.

    Americans have always been riflemen from the beginning of our history. Eventually city folk began to crowd into the original colonies, and as the colonies became a nation, and the nation grew, the city folk increased as well. City folk are often not familiar with guns, unfortunately. However our government is founded on the premise that the people will enforce the Constitution and will take it upon themselves to defend the Nation when and if needed.

    If you read the Federal Constitution and you take it seriously, these are the 3 or 4 weapons that you will ultimately need in order to carry the weight of your responsibility.
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    Last edited by hks95134; 04-08-2014, 5:10 PM.
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    russ69
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2009
    • 9348

    I've seen worse groups. You should try to shoot some 10 shot groups to get a better feel for your rifle's capability.
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    • #3
      ScottsBad
      Progressives Suck!
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • May 2009
      • 5610

      In the past I also believed that you should have a carbine, pistol, and a shotgun. But I've changed my position on this and eliminated the need for a shotgun.

      To me a shotgun is only necessary for hunting fowl and if there is a need for one that is it. Otherwise there is nothing you can do with a shotgun that you cannot do with a carbine. Shotguns are not very good home defense weapons they are too unwieldy hard to reload quickly and offer smaller capacity. As for effectiveness a well aimed carbine is a highly effective weapon. The shotgun is also effective, but more difficult to aim well.

      Most folks think that a shotgun just blasts a huge pattern so aiming is unnecessary, but I've learned this is untrue. The patten of a shotgun only spreads about an inch every ten feet at HD ranges and this means you have to aim well.

      The final thing to take into account is ammo weight and size. Shotgun are less efficient there as well.

      A carbine in 5.56 on the other hand is very accurate, shorter to maneuver, has higher capacity, longer effective range, better sights, and does not over penetrate walls as readily as a shotgun using buck shot or a pistol using 45 acp or 9mm.

      I have several ARs and Minis, but I prefer ARs. To each his own.

      If I were to pick three firearms it would be an AR (or other 5.56 carbine), a pistol in 9mm (chosen for higher capacity and cheaper practice) and a Bolt Action or Semi-Auto rifle In .308.

      I have shotguns and was a fowl hunter in my youth, but its not a necessity for me.

      That is my take.
      Last edited by ScottsBad; 04-08-2014, 7:24 PM.
      sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps.

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      • #4
        MissiontoMars
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 1544

        Originally posted by russ69
        I've seen worse groups. You should try to shoot some 10 shot groups to get a better feel for your rifle's capability.
        X2

        - mini-14 is never going to shoot groups like an AR, but it certainly has some advantages and if you like it, you'll probably practice more which can do nothing but good for those groups

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        • #5
          deadcoyote
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 4002

          I actually just filled my Tier 6 for home defense, Chuck Norris.
          Buying a safe and sane firework is like paying a hooker for a hug. I do not see the appeal in it.

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          • #6
            Gem1950
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 2876

            Good 4 gun foundation you have there.

            Re: Scatter-guns - The verdict is in on their efficacy as a defense (and offense) weapon...for about two hundred years.
            "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine



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            • #7
              CessnaDriver
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2009
              • 10549

              Seems to me a semi auto shotgun loaded with something like Federal flite control 00. You can cover a very wide area quickly with attitude changer out to 100 yards even.


              "Yeah, like... well, I just want to slap a hippie or two. Maybe even make them get jobs."

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              • #8
                MissiontoMars
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 1544

                Originally posted by deadcoyote
                I actually just filled my Tier 6 for home defense, Chuck Norris.


                I chuckled at this.

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                • #9
                  NOTABIKER
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 7635

                  i have one of the older mini 14s. I got it last year and i doubt it had ever been fired. So much has been said about the early MINIs being inaccurate. their might be a small difference but it does bother me a little that so many slam the older MINI 14s. nobody buys a MINI to become a precision target shooter. To pass up a bargain priced early MINI in very nice condition is just silly. For the price of a new MINI you can get a AR if precision is what you want. i think most MINI owners bought them because they just like them.

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                  • #10
                    gotshotgun?
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3667

                    I like the Mini-14 for what it is. However, I would never scope one. The new Ruger iron sights are not half bad and a competent shooter can make the OPs groups to 200 yards with irons sights without issue. The scope just adds weight and unwieldiness to an otherwise fast handling rifle.

                    Also, a bipod on a Mini-14? Not only are you screwing up your barrel harmonics and in turn accuracy with that clamped on bi-pod but really, what's the point? It's a brush gun not a precision rifle.

                    Last edited by gotshotgun?; 04-09-2014, 8:43 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Manolito
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 2324

                      I find your comment interesting on what I need to fulfill my obligation to the constitution. My country only thought I needed an M14 and a Kbar.

                      Your comments about a shotgun are interesting. If you need in a locked structure. try a shotgun then your carbine.

                      What works for you is all that matters and I am glad you are happy with your combination. Deciding on what I need, you fall a little short in my eyes.

                      What unit were you with? You would take the carbine out to 500 yards and feel comfortable? Could be training is different today.
                      Last edited by Manolito; 04-09-2014, 8:55 AM.

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                      • #12
                        midvalleyshooter
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1516

                        Those are some nice groups. The top two were fired at 300 and 400 yards?

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                        • #13
                          hks95134
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 959

                          Originally posted by ScottsBad
                          In the past I also believed that you should have a carbine, pistol, and a shotgun. But I've changed my position on this and eliminated the need for a shotgun.

                          To me a shotgun is only necessary for hunting fowl and if there is a need for one that is it. Otherwise there is nothing you can do with a shotgun that you cannot do with a carbine. Shotguns are not very good home defense weapons they are too unwieldy hard to reload quickly and offer smaller capacity. As for effectiveness a well aimed carbine is a highly effective weapon. The shotgun is also effective, but more difficult to aim well.

                          Most folks think that a shotgun just blasts a huge pattern so aiming is unnecessary, but I've learned this is untrue. The patten of a shotgun only spreads about an inch every ten feet at HD ranges and this means you have to aim well.

                          The final thing to take into account is ammo weight and size. Shotgun are less efficient there as well.

                          A carbine in 5.56 on the other hand is very accurate, shorter to maneuver, has higher capacity, longer effective range, better sights, and does not over penetrate walls as readily as a shotgun using buck shot or a pistol using 45 acp or 9mm.

                          I have several ARs and Minis, but I prefer ARs. To each his own.

                          If I were to pick three firearms it would be an AR (or other 5.56 carbine), a pistol in 9mm (chosen for higher capacity and cheaper practice) and a Bolt Action or Semi-Auto rifle In .308.

                          I have shotguns and was a fowl hunter in my youth, but its not a necessity for me.

                          That is my take.
                          If you need to confront a mob or a riot in your area or neighborhood, a shotgun with double-aught buck is the only way to deal with such a crowd.

                          The carbine isn't going to do you much good. There will be mobsters in the crowd with pistols and they will take you out fast even as you are blasting away.

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                          • #14
                            -hanko
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 14174

                            Originally posted by russ69
                            I've seen worse groups. You should try to shoot some 10 shot groups to get a better feel for your rifle's capability.
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                            • #15
                              hks95134
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 959

                              Originally posted by midvalleyshooter
                              Those are some nice groups. The top two were fired at 300 and 400 yards?
                              No, they were all fired at 100 yards.

                              The observed phenomenon is the widening of the MOA as the carbine barrel warms up.

                              The higher impacts are from the marked settings on the Redfield BattleZone scope, which is not marked off in 1/4 MOA units like most scopes. It is marked off (on the elevation knob) at 100, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 and 500 yds and matched to the 5.56x45mm 55 grain cartridge and bullet.

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