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[sureshooter99]

Hsa

[MrPlink]

Check the work sheet on 922r.

If you dont thread the barrel you will need 5 American parts.
trigger group is an easy 3. Pg is easy too. Maybe US buttstock?

[orangeusa]

Pistol grip triggers Assault Weapon. See CALGUNS flowchart. So yes pistol grip = bullet button.

You seem to be more worried about 922 than triggering AW.

[MrPlink]

Yes. You need to bring your foreign parts count down since it is no longer in sporting configuration

[mpwang]

Stop. You're making stew. Don't try to mix federal and state requirements. Keep them both distinct.

Federal requirements refer to 922, where you must have a certain number of domestic parts. If you do anything to take the Saiga out of its normal sporter configuration (some people might say adding a bullet guide takes it out of the sporter configuration) you have to deal with 922. If you want to keep it stock, there is no 922 issue.

California requirements refer to the presence of banned features. If you have a pistol grip (or muzzle device), you must have a magazine lock.

So, in other words, if you want to convert the saiga to an ak 47 you will have to deal with 922. The saiga has 17 parts per the ATF, and you can have no more than 10 foreign parts. So you'll have to change out at least 7!

http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

I would change the trigger group (hammer, disconnector spring, and trigger for a total of 3), use tapco magazines (magazine body, floor plate, and follower) and then change the buttstock, muzzle device, pistol grip, or fore grip.

California, on the other hand, holds that if you have any banned features you must not have a detachable magazine.

These features include flash suppressors, vertical fore grips, and pistol grips. If you have any of these, you must use a device that prevents you from having a detachable magazine. These devices include solar tactical ak magazine locks (which I think work better than the others).


And as always, use the search button. You'll find a lot of information on the subject and you'll find creative ways to get what you want in a legal fashion.

[SJgunguy24]

Check the work sheet on 922r.

If you dont thread the barrel you will need 5 American parts.
trigger group is an easy 3. Pg is easy too. Maybe US buttstock?

Wrong, the Saiga 762 had 14 parts that count for 922r. To the op, what are you trying to do with your rifle.
Either leave it stock or convert it. By not converting but installing a pistol grip, your making it tougher to comply with 922r, unless you have a pile of us mags.
If you add a grip you'll need 4 parts plus a mag lock. Easy way to comply is Tapco g2(3 parts), buttstock(1), and whatever grip you want. Then wrap it or MMG and no mag lock and use 30's all day.
By changing the fire control group and butt stock you lose the garbage trigger and 4" of overall length. The only AK I've ever seen fail in the field that I couldn't fix right there was a stock Saiga 762 that lost the transfer bar.

[SJgunguy24]

Stop. You're making stew. Don't try to mix federal and state requirements. Keep them both distinct.

Federal requirements refer to 922, where you must have a certain number of domestic parts. If you do anything to take the Saiga out of its normal sporter configuration (some people might say adding a bullet guide takes it out of the sporter configuration) you have to deal with 922. If you want to keep it stock, there is no 922 issue.

California requirements refer to the presence of banned features. If you have a pistol grip (or muzzle device), you must have a magazine lock.

So, in other words, if you want to convert the saiga to an ak 47 you will have to deal with 922. The saiga has 17 parts per the ATF, and you can have no more than 10 foreign parts. So you'll have to change out at least 7!

http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

I would change the trigger group (hammer, disconnector spring, and trigger for a total of 3), use tapco magazines (magazine body, floor plate, and follower) and then change the buttstock, muzzle device, pistol grip, or fore grip.

California, on the other hand, holds that if you have any banned features you must not have a detachable magazine.

These features include flash suppressors, vertical fore grips, and pistol grips. If you have any of these, you must use a device that prevents you from having a detachable magazine. These devices include solar tactical ak magazine locks (which I think work better than the others).


And as always, use the search button. You'll find a lot of information on the subject and you'll find creative ways to get what you want in a legal fashion.

Please study up on thr laws, your post is full of inaccurate info. A muzzle device does not trigger AW status, the parts count is 14 not 17.
922(r) is an import regulation, any change from the imported configuration triggers 922(r) compliance, bullet guide included.
Also you need to specify what section and sub part of 922 he needs to comply with. 922 is about 40 pages long and has (just guessing I haven't looked in a while) maybe 1000 sections and sub parts. Really it's effing insane..

[davidb]

just wondering are you planning on using the tapco stock? its the only thing i can think of that doesnt require moving the fcg...if so, it ruins the already not so amazing saiga trigger, makes it seem longer and kind of an upward pull

[orangeusa]

just wondering are you planning on using the tapco stock? its the only thing i can think of that doesnt require moving the fcg...if so, it ruins the already not so amazing saiga trigger, makes it seem longer and kind of an upward pull

Are you saying you can make a Saiga trigger WORSE?

[stix213]

You could alternately try finding this specific thumbhole stock:



It is one of the rarer stocks the Saigas have actually been imported with, mine was one of them. 922r doesn't treat a thumbhole stock the same as adding a pistol grip either. Since they have been imported in this configuration, you should not have any 922r concerns. You then just need to get a magazine lock. When mine was sold to me, the mag release was just cut off just below where it pivots (above pic is not mine, but looks identical to how I bought it besides the mag release), I just used a flat head screwdriver to release the mag. Simple, cheap, and less hassle.

I ended up converting 2,000 rounds later anyway though, which is my real recommendation. The rifle gets a considerable better balance and trigger after conversion.

edit: This appears to be the stock I'm referring to:

http://www.saigastock.com/saiga-skeleton-buttstock-p-141.html?zenid=d5d93e6f6a1d6beda80946377232495a

http://www.saigastock.com/saiga-skeleton-buttstock-predrilled-p-257.html

[davidb]

Are you saying you can make a Saiga trigger WORSE?

oh yeah, the stock trigger doesnt really bother me but with the tapco stock/grip its almost unusable

[mpwang]

Sjgunguy,

With respect to the parts number, cool. I found a tapco chart saying 17. A quick google search led me to that #.

I should also have been more specific, 922 is indeed an import regulation.

With respect to a muzzle device as a banned feature, I made a misstatement. I meant to say flash suppressor. If he wants to have a flash suppressor or a muzzle device with "flash hiding capabilities", he will need to have a mag lock or else he creates an assault weapon as defined by California. This may not be a problem since he might not have a Saiga with a threaded barrel.

Please excuse the misstatements. Really embarrassing.

Tldr: changing out of default will require you to have no more than 10 foreign parts. If the Saiga 14, change out the trigger (3) and choose from us-made: magazines, buttstocks, handguards, pistol grip, etc.

If you have telescoping stock, pistol grip, or a vertical foregrip you must use a maglock to comply with ca law.

Again please excuse the horrible misstatements. Happy lunar New year

[orangeusa]

You didnt say any horrible misstatements. IMO.

I just dodged the 922 questions to focus on stupid CA laws wrt AW.

Sjgunguy,

With respect to the parts number, cool. I found a tapco chart saying 17. A quick google search led me to that #.

I should also have been more specific, 922 is indeed an import regulation.

With respect to a muzzle device as a banned feature, I made a misstatement. I meant to say flash suppressor. If he wants to have a flash suppressor or a muzzle device with "flash hiding capabilities", he will need to have a mag lock or else he creates an assault weapon as defined by California. This may not be a problem since he might not have a Saiga with a threaded barrel.

Please excuse the misstatements. Really embarrassing.

Tldr: changing out of default will require you to have no more than 10 foreign parts. If the Saiga 14, change out the trigger (3) and choose from us-made: magazines, buttstocks, handguards, pistol grip, etc.

If you have telescoping stock, pistol grip, or a vertical foregrip you must use a maglock to comply with ca law.

Again please excuse the horrible misstatements. Happy lunar New year

[stix213]

Tldr: changing out of default will require you to have no more than 10 foreign parts. If the Saiga 14, change out the trigger (3) and choose from us-made: magazines, buttstocks, handguards, pistol grip, etc.
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Got to point out one more issue lol! Just can't win in this thread Changing out the pistol grip for a US made pistol grip helps nothing in this situation, since it doesn't start with one at all. Adding a pistol grip brings the total counted parts up to 15 from 14 (stock saiga w/o pistol grip has 14 counted parts, adding pistol grip makes the gun have 15 counted parts, so using US made pistol grip just gets you back down to the foreign parts count you started at), which still means you need to swap out something else to get down to 10.

Just use this worksheet, easy peezy

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaVerifyCompliance

[mpwang]

Damn, foiled again. Forgot this wasn't an ak for a second. Even double checked my post and everything.

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