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  • BanjoGunner
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 357

    Bolt doesn't lock forward when inserting into piston upper

    First time working on a AR piston upper (Adams Arms, mid-length, .223) and I've noticed the following: When assembling, the bolt doesn't click into place and sit flush with the end of the chamber like it does on my DI carbine. Instead, the last 1/2" or so prutrudes out of the chamber under spring tension and I must push it in before before I can close the lower onto it.

    I was about to head out for a test fire, but I want to make sure this is normal/okay first.

    Thanks.

    BG
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  • #2
    jb octane
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 856

    There's a spring which pushes it out. It's normal.

    All the AA bolts have that spring in them.

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    • #3
      technique
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      • Jan 2008
      • 10639

      During assembly? Or when you charge the weapon?
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      • #4
        technique
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2008
        • 10639

        If it does (seat all the way/ into battery) when the rifle is assembled, you're likely GTG
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        • #5
          tal3nt
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 3168

          Are you using a piston bcg?

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          • #6
            BanjoGunner
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 357

            Thanks for the quick responses...

            Yes, this is during assembly and it is a piston bcg. Once the lower is attached the bolt seats all the way forward as it should and it cycles dummy rounds just fine. My concern was/is that maybe this means it is not really _locking_ into place once a round is chambered and I have no way to tell visually if this is so.
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            • #7
              jb octane
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 856

              Skip to 4 min on this video and then you'll get your confirmation around 6 min mark.

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              • #8
                BanjoGunner
                Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 357

                Originally posted by jb octane
                Skip to 4 min on this video and then you'll get your confirmation around 6 min mark.
                That's exactly what I needed to see; thanks jb!

                Off to test fire...
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                • #9
                  tal3nt
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 3168

                  Please report back your experience! Have funnn

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                  • #10
                    Arnelcheeze
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1450

                    the Stag / CMMG piston system also has a bolt spring, not sure why, but it works!

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                    • #11
                      BanjoGunner
                      Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 357

                      Well the test firing was uneventful, with everything behaving exactly as it should. Got the sights installed, sighted in, and fired off a few rounds after that. A bit too cold to stay much longer than that, forgetting my jacket and all! ...Doh...

                      Thanks again for the quick responses yesterday.
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                      • #12
                        m16
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2527

                        Originally posted by Arnelcheeze
                        the Stag / CMMG piston system also has a bolt spring, not sure why, but it works!
                        It's because there is nothing to hold the bolt in battery as the bullet is exiting the muzzle.

                        In a Stoner gun, gas expands inside the bolt carrier and this does two things; it pushes the bolt forward and forces the carrier backwards.

                        A piston gun doesn't do this because gas never enters the carrier.

                        The only way to keep the bolt locked after the bullet has passed the gas port is to add a spring behind it.
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                        • #13
                          beastie050
                          Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 291

                          What piston kit did you use?

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