extra steps on a fixed mag

[gunsR4me]

does anyone take extra steps to fix there mag on top of the prince50 or bullet button ...just as a extra saftey ....i just ask because i have a do it myself prince 50 witch can out the same and it locks it good but i was thinking its such a small allen screw..... what if you pushed on the button so hard that the allen screw bent in there then it would work and wouldnt require a tool ......so has anyone taken extra steps to fix there mags....because in thinking of drilling and tapping a little hole throught the reciever and mag on the front ....kind of where the cal legal bushmaster but there rivit ....but i would just use a set screw....is that taking it too far?

[FinweElensar]

If you're finger is that strong, you don't need a gun. Just poke your assailant's eyeball or crush their rib with a a jab of your finger.

[gunsR4me]

well im not saying i have superman finger nor will i put that much pressure on it ....because it is lock i wouldnt have to touch it.....im was just thinking what if i got stopped with it and the cop wanted to be a prick and started to inspect it and pressed it really hard and the set screw bent and out comes the mag

[Ballistic043]

first let me tell you i know what your going through. as a fellow OLL owner i have been through the legal system of owning them. i have been to jail and had to defend my two BB and P50 fixed rifles last year. there are very few people on here who get the full legal experience, so take it from someone who knows:

when it comes to "Assault Weapons" in the LEO world, it seems Ignorance is dominant. The world of calguns around here, is fairly black and white as to what is and NOT illegal. unfortunately many LEO's and sherrif's do not get such knowlege. infact, some dont even understand basic high-capacity magazine laws (if that suprises you) either because they did not listen in academy, or they do not care.


this is the reason we still find our members being prosecuted. because in the end, if the cop isnt properly educated or if he just wants to be a dick, then it doesnt matter how 'fixed' your rifle is. i have even seen people harassed with perfectly legitimate mag-welded AR's. (found at your local turners)

IMO, i say you just loc-tite the screw and be happy. or, replace it with a bullet button and top load. but bending the screw, i can see it now; some cop starts making smirk remarks about how its illegally modified or some nonsense.


last year when the cop examined my p50 rifle on stop, he actually suggested that the p50 was an illegal modification made to the button, which makes the mag DETACHABLE and the rifle an AW. that could be true from a certain angle, but obviously the p50 is there to prevent normal operation. it was asinine. it made ME embarrassed to be part of that city.

Bottom line: this might be a good time to ask yourself if you really want an AR. are you willing to accept the responsibilities, risks, and repercussions of an un-educated LEO experience, should it happen? are you prepared financially and mentally? personally, i wont stop building them but some people arent that way.

[gunsR4me]

what if you get stopped by a cop that dont know about OLL and wants to take you in is there a way to get out of it by having him check the penal codes before he makes his decision

[shark92651]

There is no way the short set screw in a P50 is going to bend from pressure applied to it from pressing on the mag button - it's not going to happen. Then again, there is nothing preventing some ignorant cops or armorer from taking a rubber mallet to your rifle to get the magazine out (true story). Some cops that are somewhat versed in the OLL will probably listen to your explanation as to why it is legal, but others will not let the perp lecture them on the law and will just take you in and let the DA sort it out. There is still a bit of risk involved with owning OLL rifles and you need to be willing to accept that risk to play in this sandbox.

[Ballistic043]

sounds like what i tried to do. bad idea.

when i was in that position, it seemed like cooperating was the most logical thing to do. be polite, recite necessary penal codes, dont get over zealous and always remain courteous, right? WRONG. wrong, wrong. REMAIN-SILENT and ask for an attorney.


here's one sentence that you will likely hear, after the penal code discussion.

" lets Let the DA sort it out"

i know its not what you want to hear. you are obviously looking for any small mitigations that might clear you outright in the event it happens. it doesnt exist

so the closest thing i can reccomend, are OLL Flowcharts, memorandum and copies FROM the DOJ. its the best 'ammo' we have right now. im sure respectable members here would agree. \

so when (if) you get pulled over and asked about your rifle, pray that he knows the OLL situation otherwise remain silent and call trutanich.

[Josh3239]

Getting arrested is an everyday risk and it maximizes when you have a gun. But arrest doesn't equal charged with a crime nor does it equal being found guilty of a crime. Is there a chance a cop will stop you and believe you have an AW, of course. But that happens soooo little in this state. The worry is greater than the reality.

The magazine lock isn't the issue for a cop, the gun is the issue. He isn't going to stop you to see if you have a mag lock, he is going to stop you because you have an AR15. If you are to afraid to have a legal magazine locking device on a legal rifle then why own the gun? We all use the same locks, using that logic we should all be in jail or have atleast been harassed yet most of us haven't.